New planes requests (from other threads/please pin it)

[iMattheush]

What do you think about these 2 airplanes? b-29d flew in may 1945 and was known as b-50, and c-54 was in use from 1942

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by iMattheush

What do you think about these 2 airplanes? b-29d flew in may 1945 and was known as b-50, and c-54 was in use from 1942

Four questions we should ask ourselves when requesting a particular plane:

1) Was a particular plane built in significant numbers during the WW2 era?

2) Did a particular plane see combat to any great degree during the WW2 era?

3) Was a particular plane critical to a particular country's war effort?

4) Could a particular plane's role be more or less filled in a given scenario by another plane currently in the IL2 line-up? (i.e., how "unique" is it?)

For the B-29D/B-50, the answers are No, No, No, and Yes, the B-29A.

For the C-54, the answers are Yes, No, No, and Yes, the C-47.

So, in both cases, while these aircraft are interesting and important in their own ways, they aren't good candidates to include - at least for a WW2 sim. OTOH, for a Korean War/Early Cold War sim, both of these planes would be very important.

Like it or not, there's a whole lot of very cool US hardware which should never be in IL-2, because it was never deployed in significant numbers outside the Continental US during WW2, and because by the time certain planes were introduced, the Western Allies had complete air superiority over the Axis powers.

[sniperton]

Well, your test questions (which are very well chosen) point (with no shaking hand) to British heavies in ETO/MTO and to NG planes in PTO...

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by sniperton

Well, your test questions (which are very well chosen) point (with no shaking hand) to British heavies in ETO/MTO and to NG planes in PTO...

Yes. Unless you want to expand IL2 to whole new theaters/campaigns, in which case you'd almost need entirely new games because of all the new maps and units which would be needed.

[sniperton]

Originally Posted by Pursuivant

Yes. Unless you want to expand IL2 to whole new theaters/campaigns, in which case you'd almost need entirely new games because of all the new maps and units which would be needed.

My point is that what should be given first preference (in an ideal world) is beyond the scope of Il2 for one reason or another: NG planes because of the NG case, British heavies because they are 1) difficult to make, 2) involve night fighting (which some players enjoy, others don't). Here comes in what we could term the enjoyment factor, and in this respect I would vote for the second rank (seen historically), that is, flyable Blenheims and planes like the D.520.

[RPS69]

Reading a book about the jabo staffel over britain, I was surprised by a picture of a prbsble Mustang P-51B with apparently 2 .50's under the nose.?

[HBPencil]

Originally Posted by RPS69

Reading a book about the jabo staffel over britain, I was surprised by a picture of a prbsble Mustang P-51B with apparently 2 .50's under the nose.?

Guns under the nose would make it a Mustang Mk I, so more like the P-51A (with different armament of course) rather than the P-51B as it had the Allison engine rather than the Merlin.

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by sniperton

My point is that what should be given first preference (in an ideal world) is beyond the scope of Il2 for one reason or another: NG planes because of the NG case, British heavies because they are 1) difficult to make, 2) involve night fighting (which some players enjoy, others don't).

Obviously, any NG planes are dead to IL2. I can't see any way around it other than mods, or 1c/Ubisoft selling the IL2 franchise to another owner and then that new owner paying the "trademark trolls".

FWIW, some of the earliest British heavy bombers (Short Stirling) were used for daylight precision bombing raids, based on the mistaken doctrine that "the bomber will always get through.

Later marks of the Lancaster were also designed for daylight raids over Japan, and, of course, 617 "Dambuster" squadron used their specially modified Lancasters to make daylight raids using "Tallboy" and "Grand Slam" bombs.

So, it's not completely unrealistic to have RAF heavies flying in the daytime.

Originally Posted by sniperton

Here comes in what we could term the enjoyment factor, and in this respect I would vote for the second rank (seen historically), that is, flyable Blenheims and planes like the D.520.

One additional criteria that I didn't mention is "ubiquitousness". That is, how many different countries used a particular plane, and how many different theaters was it used in?

By that criteria, the Blenheim really needs to be flyable - as a Finnish and UK/RAAF plane - because it was used during the war by Australia, Canada, Croatia, Finland, Greece, New Zealand, Romania, Turkey, UK, and Yugoslavia. And, it was used on every front. So, I'd put it at the top of my list of "planes to make flyable."

The D.520 is on my personal "top 5" wish list, although it really wasn't that important after the Battle of France. That said, it was used in limited numbers by Italy and a several minor Axis nations, and saw action on the Eastern Front (Bulgaria), Middle Eastern Front (Syria, Morocco), Italy, and Western Front (France). It was also the best French fighter, and second only to the MS.406/410 series in numbers, so meets the "critically important to the national war effort" and "built in large numbers" criteria.

[Fighterace]

Is the Spitfire Mk XVI or XIV possible for a future update?

[iMattheush]

B-29A is in game? I thought it was standard B-29, because it can easy lose it's wing during intercepting like B-29, B-29A had strenghtened and redesigned wing which are a lot stronger and endure. In the other hand, in-game model has four .50 HMGs in top-front turret, like B-29A. So, which plane is in game?