FWs Durabillity

[Ice_Eagle]

Originally Posted by RPS69

Hey Ice, you sure this was unmodded?

I couldn't repeat your results on more than 100 trials with friendly targets.

The damage models on the 190's were bone stock. With Wgr.21 attached I can break, or something breaks the wing. Without Wgr.21 attached I cannot break the wing. I killed the pilot, engine, rudder, fin, elevators, ailerons, landing gear, but the wings remained intact. So Pursuivant is on to something here.

[majorfailure]

Originally Posted by Ice_Eagle

The damage models on the 190's were bone stock. With Wgr.21 attached I can break, or something breaks the wing. Without Wgr.21 attached I cannot break the wing. I killed the pilot, engine, rudder, fin, elevators, ailerons, landing gear, but the wings remained intact. So Pursuivant is on to something here.

Can you break the wings when there are 50kg bombs attached? Wings on weaker planes are breakable by only the force gravity and mass of attachments generate. Extremely easy to do with Hs129, if done well you can lose both wings simultaneously. So maybe the wings of Fw190 are weakened under fire to a point where they can no longer support the additional load of attachment under the gravitational pull?

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by majorfailure

Can you break the wings when there are 50kg bombs attached? Wings on weaker planes are breakable by only the force gravity and mass of attachments generate.

I don't think that parts can be broken by gravity alone - at least when I'm shooting at static models.

IL2 doesn't model the sort of sagging or bending you'd see if the airframe was failing due to gravity. Instead, broken parts often fly off stationary (flyable) aircraft in extremely unrealistic fashion.

But, the idea that wings might break under the strain of ordinance on their wings might have merit.

On the ground, I've seen no evidence that ordinance mounted on wing hardpoints affects wing breakage. But, what might be going on is that the game models increased wind resistance due to external ordinance and that combines with other damage effects to break wings. Sort of a combination of my guess and your guess.

[RPS69]

Originally Posted by Pursuivant

I don't think that parts can be broken by gravity alone - at least when I'm shooting at static models.

But, the idea that wings might break under the strain of ordinance on their wings might have merit.

Actually, if you take a very step dive and climb with heavy ordenance on your plane, your wings will fall of. This is so since 4.10 or 4.11. (Don't remember well since when this started).

You can't reproduce that while on ground.

[majorfailure]

Originally Posted by RPS69

Actually, if you take a very step dive and climb with heavy ordenance on your plane, your wings will fall of. This is so since 4.10 or 4.11. (Don't remember well since when this started).

You can't reproduce that while on ground.

Yes, I remember, before the patch I used to do steep bombing attacks with external loads attached in an A-20. A few and some more A-20 were lost due to catastrophic wing fractures before I learned to either not carry external loads, or to remember them.

[KG26_Alpha]

A20 = classic wing breaker.

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

A20 = classic wing breaker.

Makes sense. Although the A-20 handled like a fighter in many ways, it was not fully aerobatic. All the training materials warn pilots of this fact.