More twin Engine flyables in IL-2 1946

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by Buster_Dee

Not sure what you mean by this. Most of out effort was under our TD membership. Outside Developer sounds a little too professional

My mistake. I didn't realize that you guys were officially part of DT.

In any case, the B-24D stands as one of the finest examples of a flyable aircraft in the game. Certainly professional quality, even if you call yourselves amateurs!

[Buster_Dee]

Originally Posted by Pursuivant

Certainly professional quality, even if you call yourselves amateurs!

I wouldn't call Monguse an amateur; he might stop sorting me out. Amateur works for me though

As to the Defiant, it got a new lease on life as a night fighter (not sure if with radar), and I believe it was one of the aircraft used to create the D-Day diversions. I think it was equipped with some kind of spoof or ECCM gear. Not very exciting for fighter pilot scraps. The gear probably displaced the gunner. I think the turret also use in other aircraft--Halifax and some British Liberator II?

[Tinpanzer87]

Whats in store for the next update. i have a lot of books with good pics and diagrams of the b-17,b-29,sb2c-5,pbm-5 mariner,meteor jet british, also a lot of gunner stations pics.

[Igo kyu]

Originally Posted by Buster_Dee

I wouldn't call Monguse an amateur; he might stop sorting me out. Amateur works for me though

As to the Defiant, it got a new lease on life as a night fighter (not sure if with radar), and I believe it was one of the aircraft used to create the D-Day diversions. I think it was equipped with some kind of spoof or ECCM gear. Not very exciting for fighter pilot scraps. The gear probably displaced the gunner. I think the turret also use in other aircraft--Halifax and some British Liberator II?

The most extensive use of the Defiant, Henley and Skua was as target tugs towing drogues for trainee pilots to shoot at. These were not front line duties, but they were very important, and may have been significant in the achievement of allied air superiority in the late years of the war.

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by Buster_Dee

As to the Defiant, it got a new lease on life as a night fighter (not sure if with radar)

The Defiant Mk.II night fighter, with turret and AI Mk. IV Airborne Interception radar, was the most effective British night fighter during the "Winter Blitz" German night bombing campaign of 1940-41, and over 200 Mk. IIs were built.

The turret allowed the Defiant to attack from below, just like the later German "schrage musik" gun installations.

In many ways, the Defiant was like the Bf-110 - quite good in its intended role as bomber interceptor, but dead meat in a fight with a competently flown single-seat fighter.

Originally Posted by Buster_Dee

I believe it was one of the aircraft used to create the D-Day diversions. I think it was equipped with some kind of spoof or ECCM gear.

It was withdrawn from frontline service in 1943, but after it was phased out as a night fighter it was used for ECM & ECCM duties.

Originally Posted by Buster_Dee

I think the turret also use in other aircraft--Halifax and some British Liberator II?

Boulton Paul produced a number of different turrets. I'm not sure how much they differed from each other.

[gaunt1]

Yes, we definitely need a few more flyable twin engine planes. One problem, time. Its a massive work to model a cockpit. So in my opinion, there arent too many planes that could be made in a reasonable time:

1, more He-111 variants, probably this would be the easiest, because Yt2 (TD member) already made a beautiful mod, that not only adds more, but corrects the faults of original models.
2, B-25C. I think it should be easy too, even gunner positions.
3, Do-217K/M, also a mod, fairly complete, but of course needs more detail. This plane would be really interesting to have
4, Bf-110C4, maybe modifying G2 cockpit?
5, B-25G/H. Turrets could be adopted straight from B-25C and H, question is cockpit. Dont know how different compared to C/H variants...
6, Ju-88C6. Much could be used from A4 pit, it mainly needs a new instrument panel, and some weapons inside, like MG FF and MG 17s
7, Beaufighter. Earlier british variants would be sweet! Probably it could be modified from the Mk.21

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by gaunt1

1, more He-111 variants, probably this would be the easiest, because Yt2 (TD member) already made a beautiful mod, that not only adds more, but corrects the faults of original models.

The only problem is figuring out how cockpits were altered between variants!

Originally Posted by gaunt1

2, B-25C. I think it should be easy too, even gunner positions.

I believe that the B-25 cockpit layout didn't change that much (other than things like adding or removing gun sights). Top turret position was the same (Bendix turret). Waist gunner stations not present, so don't need to be modeled.

Tail gun position was different. Bombardier & nose gunner stations would need to be modeled.

It would need a new model and crew station, but it would be interesting to see a B-25C with the ventral turret.

Originally Posted by gaunt1

3, Do-217K/M, also a mod, fairly complete, but of course needs more detail. This plane would be really interesting to have

From DT's point of view, this plane would need to be made from scratch unless the modder was willing to donate their work to the cause and that work was up to DT's quality standards. Likely an entirely new project!

Originally Posted by gaunt1

4, Bf-110C4, maybe modifying G2 cockpit?

I believe that the Bf-110C had a slightly different instrument panel. Basically, a new project. But, I also believe that the gunner's station didn't' change that much between marks.

While it would be a new project that would require a modified model & cockpit, and new skins, I'd be interested in seeing a Bf-110D variant.

Originally Posted by gaunt1

5, B-25G/H. Turrets could be adopted straight from B-25C and H, question is cockpit. Dont know how different compared to C/H variants...

Allegedly, the B-25G was identical to the B-25C aft of the nose. That makes a flyable B-25C a priority, since it would simplify work on the B-25G.

Originally Posted by gaunt1

7, Beaufighter. Earlier british variants would be sweet! Probably it could be modified from the Mk.21

Or not. There were a lot of production changes in the Mk 21 from other variants. That said, the Beaufighter MkIc & Mk X are necessary parts of any Mediterranean/Italian campaign.

Then, there's the venerable Blenheim Mk I & IV which have been in the game from the very beginning. Making those planes flyable would give both the FAF & RAF two early-war bombers.