HELP! The (failed) Assault on General Karador's Necro-Castle

[Palinius]

Originally Posted by Antiga

This fight is heavily unbalanced. The first time I was at karador's place I was level 13. The previous main quest the enemy was 'Slightly weaker'. Beteween this main quest, and beating karador.. you need to gain at least 10 levels in order to beat it. This is why it's unbalanced =). At least 2 other main quests should have been in beteween, because meanwhile I stopped playing because it's so incredibly boring to be fighting armies with NO purpose at all. Just the TINY exp.... I need quests to keep me busy, and quests that pay 130 exp aint worth it. Another little comment, doesn't seem that helping the tree of life and change the tree of death changes anything in the fight with karador. I at least expected it to weaken his forces or the crystal.

The randomness completely massacred my character. My stats are puny, the only thing that keeps me going are some good items. I'm a level 22 knight with 7 atk, 14 def and 9 int. This is with mostly stat boosting items equipped.

There is so much wrong with this game when I start to think about it.. all minor things, but so many things. The fact that you get about 100 leadership when leveling up when a low level, OR +1 stat.. But once you're level 20 you gain 1000 leadership... OR +1 stat... Catch my drift? Not saying it should give +10 stat.. but it should at least scale along.

Most things are pretty obvious, such as overpowered keepers, by the time you can defeat them, the upgrade is often insignificant.

The randomness is too random. Even though at some points some stuff isn't random, all this stuff is useless anyway... Such as the miners lantern.

The skills.. Don't even get me started. Am I the only one who thinks pretty much EACH skill tree is rather useless? Only in combination you can build a somewhat effective char. Nighttime tactics completely useless, night time takes 1/10 as long as daytime. Frenzy.. The hardest to get knight skill.. And the most useless one as well. Healing skill.. useless. Diplomacy... pure waste of runes. Skills such as iron fist quickly become obsolete. The exp skill is ok.. but way too expensive to be useful. Hell, the best skills are the ones available from the start.
My biggest problem with this game is that leveling up changes nothing. If you couldn't defeat an enemy at level 15, you still won't be able to at level 16, nor level 17. Only by exploring and looting you become stronger... Leveling does nearly nothing in comparison.

Then of course some bugs that ruin it even more. Mostly having to do with wifes. Mirabella crashes your game... Elven chick can't have kids.. Ugh.. Kids.. Yep, kids also pretty much ruin the game. All due to randomness.

I propose that you make a game and we will see....

About some of the minor problems you encountered .... Ppl play the game on normal and they will learn how to play it, and when they will try to play on Impossible they will know its simply better to tak +1 stats in the beggining instead of 100-200 leadership.
If you want you can take leadership if not, dont. You can finish the game in many ways. But i guess only th few that mastered the "minor things" as you say it will complete the game on impossible lvl.

About the wife bugs that you dont like...there is a fix for mirabella if it crashes for you. Dont know about the Elven wife as i never tried her due to her regalia slots. Personally i found 2 regalia items in my whole game and 2 of them were crappy.

About the randomnes... tbh that makes the game interresting.
Randomness in wifes. - its like plaing casino. You play becouse you want to win the grand prize That would probably be the +5 stats or +20% stats. You cant bare the lose? Simply dont gamble and just put items in those slots. Its just a way of making the game so much more interesting. NEW FEATURE that never been seen before...and you whine about it. Nobody tells you to have kids. They give you an option and you whine...you dont need to have kids.

About your view on Skill tree:
I finished the game on a Mage, and the MAgic tree was fantastic. Thatnks to it i was almost able later with the right items and right tactic kill grps with 2 rounds of spells only. There are many ways of playing your caracter. Depending what kind of tactic you want. What kind of Race you planning to use as your monsters. Items + Skill Tree + Different monsters + Randomness of items + randomness of available monsters to you... tactics... This makes this game Fantastic. Usually when you finish a game you just put it back into drawer. But in KB you can try to play few more times thanks the RANDOMNES.
I finished the game on a mage. Now im planing to play Paladin on Impossible and i will play only thanks to the randomness. Becouse if i were supposed to do all the same , have all the same items , fight all the same mobs, use alll the same mobs with the same tactics that i did on the MAGE i wouldnt simply play the game again. Randomnes is supposed to make you play all the 3 characters and thats to the time spent on the game to simply love it and buy the next expansion.

[Antiga]

You seem to think i'm saying this game is horrible... Just becuase im stating a couple of flaws.

I love the game. It's unique, has many never seen before features and original spells(Unlike most games). But if I had to state all the good stuff along with the bad stuff I wouldn't be able to finish typing that if I had a full day.

The randomness has simply screwed my game.. And i'm not one of those people who is going to replay a 40+ hour game(On which I spend 30+ hrs so far), because the randomness doesn't randomize the game.. just the units, spells, items etc. The quests will be the same, the gameplay will be the same, cept for some minor things. Perhaps if I were to replay this in a couple of years. People playing the game on normal intend to play it on normal, and at least be able to finish it. Not have a 40 hour training campaign so they may make a succesfull char on their 2nd run.

Compare PHJF's mage to my knight. I'm level 22, under 18k leadership. 7atk 14def 9int 70 mana.. The only thing I got going is my 118 rage, which is rather useless as 70 would be plenty atm. So he's 2 levels higher, and probably twice as strong... Don't tell me this wouldn't piss you off if you were in my shoes.

Playing the demo really made me think a knight would have alot more leadership. Short term this is true. Long term... well it's proven above. Due to randomness, my knight has less leadership than a mage of comparable level. Doesn't this seem the slightest bit wrong?

The kids are fine, but if I were to get a +4 scroll kid.. I would want to be able to reload, to get the chance on a different kid. Not have my game once again be screwed because I know my kid is gonna be useless, thus I will never have it(Limiting my options). If you're playing blackjack and you keep losing.. At some point you're gonna move to another table no? And currently I can't even get kids with the elven chick.. Gotta dump her =). As for the regalia's.. My best one would be +4 def, +700(or 800) leadership, -1 morale to allied undead. Pretty good if you don't have undead in your army.

I agree about the mage, the magic skill tree is the only one with some good skills, the other tree's have crappy-decent ones. For as far as I can tell, this game is created to be played by a mage. There's a few quests that are intended for mages, while there are NONE specifically for knights or paladins, and they can get just as much leadership as any knight, while being able to cast more powerfull spells, have almost the same skills and... Also proven above, have decent(in my case better) atk/def stats.

I'm currently trying to put together a she-fighter army. Perhaps that will give me the edge with Agna's Ruby(Possibly the best item in the game, if used correctly - while being completely NOT random, like many of such 'major' rewards). But the only really worthy units i've found are Demonesses. Any suggestions?

Edit: Hell, I just noticed I have less than 16500 leadership and I didn't change any items or anything. 16.5k knight vs 24k mage... *sigh*

[PHJF]

I corrected my leadership, it was 14000, not 24000.

I've got 21000 now at ~lvl26, having just defeated Baal... so that's 8 black dragons, 13 emerald, 10 fire, 12 archdemons, and ~140 Shamans.

If you're going to play something other than mage, you really really need to have higher stats then you do. I almost always took leadership when leveling up (hence 21000) but from items I have 28 int, 15 attack, 15 defense. I've had 20+ int for a long time.

[Quellist]

Originally Posted by Palinius

I propose that you make a game and we will see....

That is a bullshit response, you don't tell people that have been mistreated
by their doctors that they should have studied medicine. Or that crime victims should have become cops when the real cops can't solve the crime.
You don't need to do something better to tell when something isn't right.

Originally Posted by Palinius

About the wife bugs that you dont like...there is a fix for mirabella if it crashes for you. Dont know about the Elven wife as i never tried her due to her regalia slots. Personally i found 2 regalia items in my whole game and 2 of them were crappy.

That is a pretty bad bug that should have been caught in Q&A and it should
be patched asap. (I'm assuming the fix you are talking about isn't official?)

Originally Posted by Palinius

About the randomnes... tbh that makes the game interresting.
...
Randomnes is supposed to make you play all the 3 characters and thats to the time spent on the game to simply love it and buy the next expansion.

It adds some replay value, but since the story ark/missions isn't random... and most people seem to get the same stuff, sooner or later.

The game was very good until the elves, then it just loses focus and becomes somewhat of a resource optimization simulator mostly with regard to the crystals(?). I haven't finished the game yet though, so maybe the end can save it.

Right now I would say its a 3.5/5 game.

[Antiga]

Originally Posted by Quellist

That is a bullshit response, you don't tell people that have been mistreated
by their doctors that they should have studied medicine. Or that crime victims should have become cops when the real cops can't solve the crime.
You don't need to do something better to tell when something isn't right.

Thank you, I did not want to respond to it myself because I could not think of a proper way to make clear to him/her what nonsense he/she typed.

Edit: PHJF, I see now... But you are still quite alot stronger.

[Ikarius]

You want to talk randomness... I'm now level 15, and I've been offered stat gains on only *2* levelups. Rest of the times it was choices between leadership, rage, and mana. Some of the randomness in this game is utter crap.

[Antiga]

I got offered a choice of Rage or Mana more than any other. This is the primary reason my rage is 118 and my mana is 70(lvl 22 knight, I need no more than 50 mana, 70 rage for my current build). The randomness makes it interesting but can really ruin one's game. Some people have an awesome experience with this, due to getting the good stuff on every corner.. Some people get pure trash.

[Palinius]

Originally Posted by Antiga

The randomness makes it interesting but can really ruin one's game. Some people have an awesome experience with this, due to getting the good stuff on every corner.. Some people get pure trash.

It is true that sometimes you get better units and and better items , or that is at least what you think. for Example i play on impossible now, in any other game i would say that pirates sux, but i have boots that make pirates +1 move and initiative, Wife Rina +1 move and initiative for pirates. Thats why i choose to use pirates in my game. Due to items i have now i have completly other units than the few times before and thats make the game interesting as im exploring the game and units heavilly depend on even as 1 might think crappy items.
Im at lvl 8 Paladin and i have 9 att 18 def, 4 int. No kids as they sux hard with the randomness (FOR ME) Normally my pirates move 2, with bonuses they go 4 , they got a reload skill that hits 3 targets. On lvl 8 on islands with Overpowering opponent they can save the day.
Everytime more or less the game makes you play random and thats simply wonderfull. But if you really love a certain item, when you start a game with other char or other diff level you can simply start the game many times untill you dont get your dream item in the caste or the church.

Btw Antiga sorry for that crappy comment few msgs up about the "Make a game yourself and we will see" . But such a lovely game and my heart cried when you attacked the game
But someone gave reply even stranger to my reply. As his reply was connected to some things that you cant change. When you go to a docter you need to accpet his opinion or consult with another , ofc you wont go study for a doctor to make a better opinion. But if its a game made for entertaining, and someone states that it really sux, i simply answaer dont play it, or do better game i would like to play it and comment Same like with music, one say that the music sux, no need to listen to it, or make a better song and we will see Or even make a song yourself So tbh my comment wasnt crappy / bulshit but simply wasnt polite enough.

[Antiga]

Yes, I agree. I had 2 thorn crowns which in total gave my thorns 300% damage. These are the things that enable you to try different things each game, as the game pretty much forces you to depending on the items you can find. I had alot of physical resistance items for example. I equipped those over potentially better items so all my troops would have 50% base physical resistance(or something close), dragons would be pretty much immune to anything cept poison.

I would most likely start a new game as a mage, if it weren't for the pure fact that each quest is going to end the same. With the few quests you can do in several ways i've pretty much always tested each way and each time the longer/harder way is the more rewarding one. There'd be no reason to do those different as it would only hurt me.

I'm just patiently waiting in hope a game expanding(not changing.. I do love most of the game's systems) mod will be released which may enhance my experience.

And don't worry about it Palinius, I don't like it when people are 'attacking' a game I love either.

[Quellist]

Originally Posted by Palinius

But someone gave reply even stranger to my reply. As his reply was connected to some things that you cant change. When you go to a docter you need to accpet his opinion or consult with another , ofc you wont go study for a doctor to make a better opinion.

I was talking about after the fact when someone is mistreated, to late for second opinions then...

But if its a game made for entertaining, and someone states that it really sux, i simply answaer dont play it, or do better game i would like to play it and comment Same like with music, one say that the music sux, no need to listen to it, or make a better song and we will see Or even make a song yourself So tbh my comment wasnt crappy / bulshit but simply wasnt polite enough.

Still more of the same junk. When you get bad food at the restaurant your answer is to not eat and still accept the cost? Usually you send food back when it's bad. And by your logic you would have to love every game ever made since you are not a gamedev yourself and thus can't criticize any game.
Maybe it is so, but that makes your opinion worthless for discussion since it's always constant.

If you keep telling people to do better themselves I guess we will just have to ignore you because then you have proved that you are a simpleton...