Fw 190 - numbers for A-8 and A-9

[JtD]

So we can bin your claim that the A-9 was the most numerous 190A of 1945.

However, as already requested by Fruitbat and ignored by you, it would be interesting to see some evidence that supports your new claim.

Rodeike states that most of the A-9 built by Focke Wulf in Cottbus were R11 all weather variants, as were some built in Wismar. Additionally the Erfurt production possibly were A-8, designations vary. Since you are so picky to rule out any A-8 that does not come as the standard fighter variant, we might want to do the same with the A-9 and end up, conservatively, at 110 A-9's produced in standard fighter configuration. That's about the same ratio you chose for the A-8. Now as you are contradicting Rodeike's accepted research, it would be nice to see some source that shows for instance how no Cottbus built A-9's came as R11.

[MiloMorai]

the following is from a graphic I have of Fw190A production:

A-8 - A-9

Mar 82 - 0
Apr 347 - 2
May 492 - 15
Jun 430 - 21
Jul 502 - 70
Aug 648 - 30
Sep 465 - 122
Oct 293 - 14
Nov 482 - 99
Dec ? - ?
Jan 328 - ?

total 4060 - 373

This does not include the numbers for the R8 and R11 versions for the A-8 and A-9.


A-8/R11(/R2) - A-9/R11

Jun (103)
Jul (180)
Aug (202)
Sep 14 (159) - 56
Oct 79 (123) - 80
Nov 33 (80) - 58
Dec ? (?) - ?
Jan 73 (51) - ?

total 199 (898 ) - 194

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by JtD

So we can bin your claim that the A-9 was the most numerous 190A of 1945.

However, as already requested by Fruitbat and ignored by you, it would be interesting to see some evidence that supports your new claim.

Rodeike states that most of the A-9 built by Focke Wulf in Cottbus were R11 all weather variants, as were some built in Wismar. Additionally the Erfurt production possibly were A-8, designations vary. Since you are so picky to rule out any A-8 that does not come as the standard fighter variant, we might want to do the same with the A-9 and end up, conservatively, at 110 A-9's produced in standard fighter configuration. That's about the same ratio you chose for the A-8. Now as you are contradicting Rodeike's accepted research, it would be nice to see some source that shows for instance how no Cottbus built A-9's came as R11.

Very interested to see your answer and even more so, some actual evidence to support it for once as i have seen none so far at all but claims, particularly regarding JtDs post quoted above Crump, as both him and Milo have shown A9's in R11 configurations as well in roughly the same ratio as A8's.

Good to see you abandoned your initial claim as well, that the A9 was the most common Anton in 45, and changed your claim to now be most common 'normal fighter'. As Milos and JtD's posts show, this may well be questionable as well unfortunately for you.

[MiloMorai]

So Crumpp. JG301 was only one of many units flying the Fw190A.

I already posted that JG301, an all weather unit, was flying Fw190A-9/R11s.

As of March 19 1945

Stab J.G. 301 FW 190 A-9/R11
I./J.G. 301 FW 190 A-9/R11
II./J.G. 301 FW 190 A-9/R11
III./J.G. 301 FW 190 A-9/R11

http://fw190.hobbyvista.com/oob.htm

[MiloMorai]

Deliveries from Aug 1944

Aug-44 FW 190A 8 Fw 367
Aug-44 FW 190A 8 Ago 220
Aug-44 FW 190A 8/R2 Fieseler 202
Aug-44 FW 190A 8 Arb.G. 61
Aug-44 FW 190A 9 Arb.G. 30

Sep-44 FW 190A 8 Fw 140
Sep-44 FW 190A 8 R11 Fw 14
Sep-44 FW 190A 8 Ago 252
Sep-44 FW 190A 8 R2 Fieseler 159
Sep-44 FW 190A 8 Dornier 10
Sep-44 FW 190A 8 Arb.Gem. 63
Sep-44 FW 190A 9 Arb.Gem. 47
Sep-44 FW 190A 9 Fw 75
Sep-44 FW 190A 9 R11 Fw 55

Oct-44 FW 190A 8 Fw 4
Oct-44 FW 190A 8 R11 Fw 79
Oct-44 FW 190A 8 Ago 205
Oct-44 FW 190A 8 R2 GFW 123
Oct-44 FW 190A 8 NDW 28
Oct-44 FW 190A 9 NDW 6
Oct-44 FW 190A 8 Arb.Gem.W. 56
Oct-44 FW 190A 9 Arb.Gem.W. 8
Oct-44 FW 190A 9 R11 Fw 80

Nov-44 FW 190A 8 Fw 37
Nov-44 FW 190A 8 R11 Fw 33
Nov-44 FW 190A 8 Ago 263
Nov-44 FW 190A 8 HWO 80
Nov-44 FW 190A 8 Arb.Gem.W. 61
Nov-44 FW 190A 8 GFW 19
Nov-44 FW 190A 8 R2 GFW 88
Nov-44 FW 190A 8 NDW 72
Nov-44 FW 190A 9 NDW 2
Nov-44 FW 190A 9 HWO 20
Nov-44 FW 190A 9 Arb.Gem.W. 27
Nov-44 FW 190A 9 R11 Fw 58

Dec-44 DOCUMENT NOT YET FOUND

Jan-45 FW 190A-8 FW 8
Jan-45 FW 190A-8 Ar.Parow 4
Jan-45 FW 190A-8 HWO 53
Jan-45 FW 190A-8 Do.P'berg 120
Jan-45 FW 190A-8 Con.Aslau 10
Jan-45 FW 190A-8 Ago 186
Jan-45 FW 190A-8 R2 GFW 51
Jan-45 FW 190A-9 Ago 7
Jan-45 FW 190A-9 Do.P'berg 32
Jan-45 FW 190A-9 HWO 20
Jan-45 FW 190A9 R11 FW 73
Jan-45 FW 190A-9 Ar.Parow 8
Jan-45 FW 190A-9 FW 6

Feb-45 DOCUMENT NOT YET FOUND

Mar-45 DOCUMENT NOT YET FOUND

Apr-45 ONLY PARTIALLY DOCUMENTED - NOT YET FOUND
.................................................. ....................................

As can be seen, even in Jan 1945 (delivery of pure fighters) there was 308 more A-8s delivered than A-9s. (381-73 = 308 )

[JG52Uther]

Discuss the subject, but keep the personal stuff out of your replies please.

[Crumpp]

Jan-45 FW 190A-8 FW 8
Jan-45 FW 190A-8 Ar.Parow 4
Jan-45 FW 190A-8 HWO 53
Jan-45 FW 190A-8 Do.P'berg 120
Jan-45 FW 190A-8 Con.Aslau 10
Jan-45 FW 190A-8 Ago 186
Jan-45 FW 190A-8 R2 GFW 51
Jan-45 FW 190A-9 Ago 7
Jan-45 FW 190A-9 Do.P'berg 32
Jan-45 FW 190A-9 HWO 20
Jan-45 FW 190A9 R11 FW 73
Jan-45 FW 190A-9 Ar.Parow 8
Jan-45 FW 190A-9 FW 6

Feb-45 DOCUMENT NOT YET FOUND

Mar-45 DOCUMENT NOT YET FOUND

Apr-45 ONLY PARTIALLY DOCUMENTED - NOT YET FOUND

even in Jan 1945

The first month out of the year....

Of course, we see the same thing in JG301 but that does not matter, does it?? The rest of the year does not count, only the first month!!!

Got it.

[MiloMorai]

Well it is hard to give the deliveries if there is no documentaion.

to quote the author

I have yet to track down the OKL delivery reports for Dec-44 and the Feb- to April-45 period.

You have the missing documentation for Dec 1944, Feb 1945, March 1945 and April 1945 Crumpp, so the blank months can be filled in?

IVJG 3,
II JG 4,
II JG 6,
II JG 11,
STAB JG 51,
II JG 54,
and II JG 300 were all flying Fw190As at wars end.

Were are the loss lists for these units? Could it be you are being selective in what you post Crumpp because the above units had Fw190A-8 losses right up to the last days?

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by Crumpp

Of course, we see the same thing in JG301 but that does not matter, does it?? The rest of the year does not count, only the first month!!!

Got it.

Of course JG301 was the only unit flying antons,

got it.

Oh wait, thats not true........

Well done, you have proved that JG301 was flying A9's, as has already been posted by Milo earlier. Of course you ignore that they were flying all weather, which apparently doesn't count for A8's, but is OK to count for A9's.

Still waiting for some actual evidence, but we know it will never actually come, you have used the same excuse many times before.