Fw 190 - numbers for A-8 and A-9

[Crumpp]

Originally Posted by MaxGunz

I think you need a new calculator.

I don't have trouble with your reasoning but you should check your math before clicking 'post'.

I also see the usual pattern of two people arguing different things. It is like circles on a map.. how to tell what the overlaps mean when the circles have different criteria.

Maybe A-8's as air superiority fighters were fewer than total A-8's but when did that become the comparison? I was reading A-8's, not A-8 sub-types.

FB, A-8 production for all of 1944... when did A-9 production get into swing that year? I see A-8's in the hundreds from II/44 and wonder how many were still in use 9 months later? Ditto for early A-9's.

Aren't there people with unit strength figures or is that too incomplete?

If it's about what was more used, I don't think that should control player choice. Show that the type was in short supply or that certain units only had them (should not be hard, then the player can pick the unit).

If it's about what was more used, that would be good to know in mission design what AI's to place and the tasks they are assigned. But when in IL2 will players encounter A-8's without massed B-17's coming right around the corner? Last sim I could run that could have even a taste of that was EAW.

Come to think about it.. on the newer decked-out PC's, might there be enough power to fill the skies with AI bombers and escorts? 4.4?

Only about 15% of the a8's produced concurrently with the a9 were normal fighter variants. The 375 is the approximate number of a8 normal fighters and the way I wrote it is confusing.

The math adds up. I just did not include the step of subtracting the all weather and assault ship production from the total.

The point being an unit flying FW190A's normal fighters in 1945 was more likely to be operating A9's.

A large portion of FW190a8 production fed the grist mill of the sturm units and to a lesser extent, the all weather units.

[Crumpp]

The subtype makes all the difference max guns. Normal fighters are not going to be using assault ships or all weather fighters.

Assault ships are not suitable for defense against enemy fighters and all weather aircraft are not ideal.

Both subtypes are specialized aircraft built for specific missions. They went to special units to perform those missions.

Both mission experienced a significantly higher than normal wastage rate in comparison to normal fighter. It is not surprising the production numbers.

[MiloMorai]

As of March 19 1945

Stab J.G. 301 FW 190 A-9/R11
I./J.G. 301 FW 190 A-9/R11
II./J.G. 301 FW 190 A-9/R11
III./J.G. 301 FW 190 A-9/R11

http://fw190.hobbyvista.com/oob.htm

/R11 is for all weather

[Crumpp]

There is no need to guess or read into the documents as per the usual suspects.


It is clear the FW190A9 is the replacement Anton for the FW-190A8.

Are we really having this discussion?

side by side with the 2500 A-8's that were built in parallel to the 900 A-9's.

You also do not have the production details for the blocks. Almost all the FW-190A8's produced in the later part of 1944 are all weather variants or assault ships.

Oskar Bösch went thru 13 FW190A8's during his time with IV/JG3 Sturm. His unit had a 500% casualty rate.

Both are specialized variants for specific units and neither is designed as an air superiority variant.

[NZtyphoon]

Originally Posted by Crumpp

You also do not have the production details for the blocks. Almost all the FW-190A8's produced in the later part of 1944 are all weather variants or assault ships.

Oskar Bösch went thru 13 FW190A8's during his time with IV/JG3 Sturm. His unit had a 500% casualty rate.

Both are specialized variants for specific units and neither is designed as an air superiority variant.

Prove these comments with some properly sourced info - seeing as you claim to have the production records its up to you to post them; showing the loss records of one Jagdgeschwader simply shows that that one unit was equipped with A-9s, nothing more.

[Crumpp]

Prove these comments with some properly sourced info

Keep reading the thread...you are included in the usual suspects! Your question is already answered, Kaiser Söze.

[NZtyphoon]

Originally Posted by Crumpp

Keep reading the thread...you are included in the usual suspects! Your question is already answered, Kaiser Söze.

I asked crumppp to post the production records he claims to have proving that all-weather A-8/R11s predominated over ordinary A-8 day fighters and all he can come up with is this nonsense AND he can't even get this one right - its Keyser Söze.