will ai ever get so complex as to deserve rights?

[swiss]

Originally Posted by raaaid

anyway swiss youre not making sense on the one hand you say mankind dont deserve to live(i guess mankind refers to hitler not gandhi) on the ohter hand you say we have to survive to whatever prize including a massive crime

Huh?

on the ohter hand you say we have to survive

No, we don't.

[raaaid]

i see so youre a misantropus

did you know that kids to the age of two are highly altruistic but soon learn that behaviour is highly bad for this society? so i understand your point

so i guess humanity doesn deserve to live for being evil

but as a bum once said to me bad people is like the shadow so the good people the light can be seen

if humanity globally was everybody good it would suck so bad

how would you make action movies without baddies?

besides in rl as in movies the goodies usually win see wwii

edit:

besides if i was a shrink id say by yyour comments you are worse than me, you have some bad self destructive tendencies as you shew saying you wouldnt mind to be decimated, i wish you improve

[tk471138]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03MZG9vK0W8

bill gates on record saying kill granny to hire teachers yea god forbid having to lay off teachers bill gates would rather have people die...

http://www.wnd.com/2010/03/127346/

bill gates saying use vaccines to LOWER population....hmmm and i thought the whole time that vaccines SAVE lives....their is video of him saying this directly if you are interested as well

[raaaid]

yeah we need teachers to indoctrinate people into not questioning

i think if i have kids and i dont want them brainwashed by the state through schools indoctrination but rather educate them myself theyll take them away

definitly my view of gates has just changed

[swiss]

Originally Posted by tk471138

bill gates on record saying kill granny to hire teachers yea god forbid having to lay off teachers bill gates would rather have people die...

Good lord!
All he said is it is doubtful if all the money we spend on virtually dead people couldnt be used more efficient?
Off course it can - HE IS RIGHT!


Why do you want to spend $30k a month(or more!) for a person which only got to live 5 more years? And of those 5 years left, he or she will be tied to bed, always. What kind of shitty life is that?
It's inefficient - you better listen to BG.

Rem:
Yes, I did sign a paper which forces my relatives to turn off any machines enhancing my life after 30days of unconsciousness.
That is, unless the medicos are extremely sure I'll get over it.
Little anecdote, my mother died of cancer, at our home. We, or rather my sorry father felt the need to enhance her life too. In the end, there was a 60pound skeleton lying in the bed. Stoned on morphine and the spirit long gone, leaking body fluids from every hole.
I could also describe the smell in this room if you want me to(?)
And then finally, one morning he decided to turn off the machines, what a relieve.
Seriously, just because medical technology gives us the chance to prolong life after a point where it really isnt anymore - we dont always have to opt for it, right?

[raaaid]

yeah i dont even go to the doctor even if in bad pain you got a point

still you just cant say no to a person who wants to live, what if it was gates who had to shorten his life would he say so as well?

[swiss]

Originally Posted by raaaid

he wouldnt say that if it was him who was dying for christ sake

Are you sure?
Because - I would.

[tk471138]

Originally Posted by swiss

Good lord!
All he said is it is doubtful if all the money we spend on virtually dead people couldnt be used more efficient?
Off course it can - HE IS RIGHT!


Why do you want to spend $30k a month(or more!) for a person which only got to live 5 more years? And of those 5 years left, he or she will be tied to bed, always. What kind of shitty life is that?
It's inefficient - you better listen to BG.

Rem:
Yes, I did sign a paper which forces my relatives to turn off any machines enhancing my life after 30days of unconsciousness.
That is, unless the medicos are extremely sure I'll get over it.
Little anecdote, my mother died of cancer, at our home. We, or rather my sorry father felt the need to enhance her life too. In the end, there was a 60pound skeleton lying in the bed. Stoned on morphine and the spirit long gone, leaking body fluids from every hole.
I could also describe the smell in this room if you want me to(?)
And then finally, one morning he decided to turn off the machines, what a relieve.
Seriously, just because medical technology gives us the chance to prolong life after a point where it really isnt anymore - we dont always have to opt for it, right?

seriously just cuz you are an authoritarian piece of garbage dosent mean you get to dictate whether or not someone lives...i dont think ending my grandmothers life so a few public school teachers (idiots) can be hired...my grandmother taught me more useful stuff than any teacher ever did...if anything i had to unlearn all the liberal BS that was taught...

also im not spending 30k or any money on anyones medical care so stop talking about medicine like we all pay it...while this maybe true (only cuz some shit govt decides to steal from us) its irrelevant...

im 27 with out insurance...i have a cavity in my teeth (maybe two) but im not going around saying lets kill people so i can have the resources that they would otherwise take up, just so i can get care...maybe i should go out find some weak stupid guy on the street and kill him and take his stuff since i can justify it by saying "i will use his resources better than he would"

now if someone CHOOSES to die early for the good of "society" thats one thing but when you start trying to impose these views on others, thats akin to murder, (death panels) i just hope one day you are forced to argue the virtues of your life in order to receive care, that would truly be funny....

also why not kill retarded children...obviously the money and effort to care for them could be better spent else where right?? thanks to people like you and others who study bioethics try and argue the virtues of post birth abortions up to age 1....


this is the kind of crap that idiots like you are pushing...culling those in our society who may not have advocates to fight for them for the convenience of the rest of us...thats pretty crappy...


perhaps instead of trying to get the elderly killed perhaps you should listen to them and maybe learn a thing or two...dumb ass...

also can you please explain to me how vaccines will reduce population as bill gates stated...i guess alex jones and the conspiracy theorist were right and vaccine ARE harmful and are simply produced to harm the people...


i dont know about but i dont want to be in my 70s having to justify (to a bunch of 20-30 year olds) whether or not i get an operation or procedure done even if im willing to pay for it myself...cuz thats the direction we are headed thanks to pieces of crap like your self....i guess eric blairs 1984...isnt that far off...

also the only reason idiots are arguing for this kind of stuff is because they are useful idiots...why wouldnt the govt want people do die as early as possible...that means you wont have to pay them what they contributed....so the govt can take their pensions (which they are already doing)...its not about making society better its about giving government more power (and resources)

[tk471138]

Originally Posted by swiss

Are you sure?
Because - I would.

frankly why give him a choice...why not just kill bill gates his wife and his children (i would be delighted if this were to happen, even more so i was the one to do it)...after all he is the one who is spreading all these lies about how carbon dioxide is bad (even though plants need it to live he wants to have ZERO co2) a sane person would never think this...in fact it seems like some outrageous plot by some comic super villian "i can end the world by stavrving the plants of what they breath" thats bill gates a piece of garbage...

bill gates is the one who tells the idiots that vaccines are good, while at the same time telling his eliteist friends that vaccines lower population...yet the media and most idiots in the world seem to worship this guy...why??

[swiss]

.i dont think ending my grandmothers life so a few public school teachers (idiots) can be hired

They way I understood this, his teachers are only a placeholder.
In the end its a discussion we should be able to have.