Hs 129 barely flyable

[Treetop64]

Originally Posted by Lagarto

Recently I've been trying to fly some Hs 129 missions and what a disappointment it was. This thing is so underpowered it barely wallows through the air. A sitting duck for AA. On some maps the AI have problem with clearing the surrounding mountains on takeoff. I just can't believe it was that bad in real life. Maybe some tweak is in order?

The Hs129 certainly requires a delicate touch. You can successfully fly missions in it, however. It's not impossible, though it is slow and vulnerable.

No different than it was in real life. Read any reliable source and you'll learn that it was just as unpopular then as you're finding out now, for virtually the same reasons you're expressing.

We need to be careful about suggesting the "tweaking" of aircraft if they don't behave to our liking, before we've given ourselves sufficient time to learn it's nuances...

[Lagarto]

Since everybody says it flies as it's supposed to, then OK, I'll give it a second chance Thanks to Asura's new DGen it's possible now to generate campaigns for it, and I still hope to have some fun flying it.

[1984]

Originally Posted by Treetop64

No different than it was in real life. Read any reliable source and you'll learn that it was just as unpopular then as you're finding out now, for virtually the same reasons you're expressing.

+1...

hs-129 was not really bad plane, in total, but, Lagarto, what you write is very similar to what i read about hs-129 in different sources...

and on russian, from authors of books and articles about il-2, have several good articles with name "Planes of the battlefield, the Eastern front (1941-45.)" ie, about soviet and german attack planes like il-2, 87, fw 190 and hs-129...

in particular, authors criticized all sides and about germany one of main findings - it's resistance of german armor and bulletproof glass which compared with soviet analogues were less resistant...

for example, in tests 6 mm of german armor it's approximately 3.4 mm of soviet AB-1 (type of armor, which was used for il-2), 75 mm of german bulletproof glass with better, than soviet glass, visibility it's approximately 54 mm of soviet K-4, etc...

interesting, how it's confirmed/veracity in german sources etc? because it's important too, if we talk about armored "nose" of fw 190, i think...

well, anyway, apparently it's one of reasons why hs-129 was not really mass attack plane...

and here "hs-129 in NII VVS KA" with interesting details (on russian, but in end have summary of findings)...

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

No matter what, its so sexy looking anyway, especially compared to the IL-2. You could say, its a question of taste, and of course its special, with its duck-like nose and its edgy neck, but hey! - its such a stubborn german design, as much as you can imagine it.

[HarryM]

Thanks for the new desktop!

[Luno13]

Also bear in mind that the Hs-129 only flew under fighter cover and did not cross the front lines. So, this plane only had to contend with flak. Unfortunately, the flak in Il-2 is a bit too accurate, but that is meant to compensate for low numbers due to computer constraints.

Furthermore, I think it's worth mentioning that the Il-2 is very nimble in the game. I feel that, based on accounts, the control inputs are too light. After all, it is a huge and heavy airplane, but you can pull out of dives and jink with just a flick. So, when comparing to the Hs-129, the handling seems poor compared to our ingrained perceptions of the Il-2. Hopefully it will be looked at with the other Soviet planes in 4.13.

[Lagarto]

Originally Posted by Luno13

Also bear in mind that the Hs-129 only flew under fighter cover and did not cross the front lines.

How's that? What was it attacking if it didn't cross the front lines?

[Treetop64]

I think what he meant was that the Hs-129 did not go on interdiction missions. It only flew in direct support of the panzers.

[K_Freddie]

Originally Posted by Luno13

Furthermore, I think it's worth mentioning that the Il-2 is very nimble in the game. I feel that, based on accounts, the control inputs are too light. After all, it is a huge and heavy airplane, but you can pull out of dives and jink with just a flick. So, when comparing to the Hs-129, the handling seems poor compared to our ingrained perceptions of the Il-2. Hopefully it will be looked at with the other Soviet planes in 4.13.

Maybe it's a good idea to not have adjustable joystick settings, and set these per aircraft in code/data. Then everyone has to fly it like it is.. all 100s

[Bolelas]

That might be a good idea, but, dont forget, there are joysticks, and JOYSTICKS, and not everybody can aford a JOYSTICK, or built one. That was ok, if everybody flew with the same.