the failure of clod is a failure of US ALL

[*Buzzsaw*]

Salute

CLIFFS OF DOVER has not yet failed.

The Publishers have given up on it, but us, the community, have not.

Wait and see.

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by Hood

Why?

I thought you meant the spit girl

[Hood]

Originally Posted by SlipBall

I thought you meant the spit girl

A-hah

[Bearcat]

Before I do anything else in this tread or on these boards first off let me apologize to the mods here and the readers of my inappropriate post that has since been edited by the staff. While my ire was justified and still is, my manner of expressing it was totally out of line and for that I do apologize.

Now as far as the original incident which sparked my indignation I will say this..

Originally Posted by ATAG_Bliss

Why are you posting here? You hardly posted anything when clod was out but now that you have your 777 knee pads on you've posted more in the last 2 weeks in the clod forums than you have the entire time the game was out. Take your own advice to moderation and stay away.

That was un called for. First of all, this is a public forum and I will post here as often as I please. As long as I am not breaking the rules it really should be no concern of yours. Hopefully some sense of common courtesy will be extended to me which you seem to find so difficult to do, not only to me but to others as well from what I have seen. I may not have posted here much but I have been reading these specific boards since they were opened as an owner of a sim that I could not run at the time of purchase, but that was purchased mainly to support the development of the product and I have been posting on the IL2 boards all along. I just didn't post here much because up until I upgraded to my current rig in September I could not run CoD well enough to even be able to have anything but a negative opinion of it. Now I am in a better position to actually comment on it and so I do.

Perhaps it is because I am not as heavily invested in it timewise as some of you may be that I don't think the end of the world is near but I am entitled to an opinion regardless to whether or not it lines up with yours and should be able to post it without being insulted, and unlike you, there was nothing that I said in this thread prior to my outburst that warranted the knee pads crack, which could be construed any number of ways, some more vulgar than others but all of them insulting and condescending.Some of you talk about the critics who contributed to the demise of CoD through forum rants.. if that were at all possible.. which I doubt.. then some of you should look in the mirror because that shoddy behavior that you guys speak of went both ways.

Originally Posted by MB_Avro_UK

Indeed. Wise words Bearcat when he was a moderator for a time on the old il2 forum stated that he had no interest in Cliffs of Dover. Something to do perhaps with it being a British event before the USA was involved in WW2?
He's acting like he's a moderator here with big boots and a Ban Hammer
Why was he 'elected' as a moderator on the other forum? Maybe his stern and harsh words such as... 'Now hear this' etc. Yawn....
MB_Avro

You are wrong. Get your facts straight before you speak on things you know nothing about. I never said that or anything near it, at least not prior to Cliffs of Dover's release. I may have said that I preferred a different theater for starters, like many others, but I was just as psyched and in anticipation of the release of SoW:BoB as everyone else was and as I said I would all along, even when some were calling it "vaporware" and saying that it was not going to happen, I supported Cliffs of Dover from day one, before it was even released. I bought it as a DD from UBI within the first week or so after it was released even after the bad initial reviews. I also stated on more than one occasion, on more than one forum that I had no doubts that Oleg & 1C would deliver. I was just as disappointed as everyone else when that did not happen. After the release of Cliffs of Dover and in light of the negativity I continually, up until the time that it just didn't matter to me anymore, which was when Oleg split which was also well before the current state of affairs as far as 1C777 goes, stated on more than one occasion and in more than one place that I was confident that Oleg & 1C would fix things.. but I did not speak much on the sim itself much because even though I owned it.. I couldn't fly it. Now that I can actually fly it I can comment more on it and give opinions based on my own experiences and not hearsay... The behavior by some folks on this board in particular I can comment on.. because I can read. I may not have posted here much for the reasons stated above .. but I have lurked here just to keep an eye on the progress for the day when I could run CoD and I have seen the same rudeness projected at me projected at others who were less than satisfied with Cliffs of Dover and I also read some of the nasty comments made by some of it's critics as well and both are two sides of the same coin ugly from where I sit.

Acting like I am a moderator here? Riiiight... I am not a moderator here.. so that makes little sense.

As for my moderating on the IL2 boards.. That has nothing to do with anything over here and the two people that I did ban are both in this thread.. go figure...

Lastly.. One thing you can rest assured of... if/when you do come back over to the IL2 boards in the future.. you won't have any issues from me concerning anything that happens over here. I am just a poster here and have to abide by the same rules as everyone else. Similar rules apply across town.

Originally Posted by ATAG_Bliss

Hood,
What I find amusing is all the people coming out of the wood work to promote and constantly talk about BoS on this, the clod forum, when they never had anything good to say about clod. Many people posting now are posting more in this forum in the last couple weeks than they have the entire time clod was out. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out their agenda or what appears to be yours..........

Also, this isn't a popularity contest. I don't understand why people always feel the need to think someone's opinions is those of an entire group. My opinions are based on my experience which is exactly why you'll find that many players that started with ROF are no longer playing it. It runs great, looks decent, and now has many aircraft. But if the sim is never intended to simulate the war around the reasons the planes are there in the 1st place, I like many il2 fans, will lose interest quickly. When I see any of this possible with ROF, I'll believe their BoS might be anything more than just a redskinned ROF.

Given they have a year to completely make a WWII sim from scratch, one would expect the game engine will be almost identical (which the Devs already stated). It's not about the terms people like yourself like to label people, its about what people like myself want to see. If you think I'm gonna spend another $300 for the empty limited world of the ROF engine, I'm not.

I can't speak for others but my reasons for posting here now have already been stated aboveand it did not start with the demise of 1C just coincidentally coincided with it.. Like you I also had issues with RoF in the beginning and did not delve into it much at all until it became available as an offline sim as well but I did not come here specifically to promote RoF on this forum but under the circumstances comparisons will be made along with speculations on IL2BoS.. It is my hope that they do not have to make this from scratch.. I suspect t6hat there will be as much cross pollination as possible and I also think that the developers are being prudent in not giving away too much. I think that these guys will learn from the mistakes made with CoD, WoP and even IL2.. I have the same level of hope and expectation that I had before CoD was released.

Originally Posted by ATAG_Bliss View Post
Looks like I was spot on. 3 whole caragraphs of trying to defend why he starts posting in the forums only after the sim is cancelled.
Then talks about his banning and types in bold. If I were to guess I'd say he has a huge inferiority complex / short man's disease. Maybe he doesn't even need the knee pads.

No.. you were wrong.. I was just out of town and did not want to respond to this on my tablet. When posting on the internet I use bold to make emphasis on points that get lost in translation yet would be obvious were we face to face so as to minimize the possibility of misinterpretation of my meaning.. nothing more. You make these disparaging remarks about knee pads and other such condescending remarks, as if that makes your opinion more valid. It doesn't. .. and what gives you the right to treat people that way even if you don't like what they post about Cliffs of Dover? Nothing. I don't care who you are, if you are a developer or a moderator or whatever.. that does not give you the right to treat people that way just as I had no right to use the language that I used in my initial response to your (plural) posts. As I stated above, my reasons for posting here are what they are.. and frankly .. in reality they are NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.. You, Avro and anyone else here can think what you want to about me.. but I will not let you slander me, lie about me or treat me in a way that I would not treat you. Not here.. not face to face.. not now .. not yesterday.. not tomorrow ... not ever.

[ATAG_Bliss]

I just call it like I see it. You are 777's new minion. Have fun with that.

[Jatta Raso]

i bought the game even before it launched
i went with the after release development all along
i kept positive attitude in here, helped ppl with issues whenever i could
i kept playing in ATAG in spite the issues

i didn't fail.

neither did WE as a supporting community.

no pal. 1C FAILED US. they finally faced the truth that their product is beyond repair, doesn't even provide for a decent platform for future releases. which is a shame really, realising the many things it does right.

p.s. - cargy and david haywort, don't commit suicide just yet!!! 1C might be back with 777 and make it work, who knows!!

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Bliss

I just call it like I see it. You are 777's new minion. Have fun with that.

Whatever.. if that idea makes you feel good then go for it..

I intend to have a lot of fun with BoS .. RoF and every other sim that I have bought and paid for that is still valid in some way , including Cliffs of Dover .. but I am no one's "minion" and nothing that comes out of your head will change that.

[ATAG_Bliss]

I suggest you re-read what I said. You come to this forum puffing your chest, talking in bold about how you will ban others on another forum. I'm gonna guess most people see that and laugh. You talk about your moderation here and yet pull the same stunts you say you will ban for on another forum. You are not only a minion, but a hypocrite as well. You are the perfect candidate. Again, sorry for calling you out. You should stick to your own advice next time.

[JG52Uther]

OK enough with the personal issues please.If you need to have it out do it via pm.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Jatta Raso

i bought the game even before it launched
i went with the after release development all along
i kept positive attitude in here, helped ppl with issues whenever i could
i kept playing in ATAG in spite the issues

i didn't fail.

neither did WE as a supporting community.

no pal. 1C FAILED US. they finally faced the truth that their product is beyond repair, doesn't even provide for a decent platform for future releases. which is a shame really, realising the many things it does right.

p.s. - cargy and david haywort, don't commit suicide just yet!!! 1C might be back with 777 and make it work, who knows!!

This illustrates the mindset very well, a complete inability to think beyond themself and not include themselves in a collective, and the very small attempt to mention a collective was wholly innacurate, here there was NO SUCH THING as a supportive community here, there was an element of people willing to be patient but don't go mistaking paying money as complete support, once some people parted with that cash they though they bought a licence to kick Luthier in the face, it was going to take some years of sales to recoup development cost of something like COD, but once 1C saw the whining they knew the return was unlikely, because no matter what they tried to fix there was some other a'hole ready to lay the boot in over another issue, mainly over features people wanted but ironically these same people can live quite happily without those things now 777 are developing a sim.....go figure.

I would really like to see hard evidence of this alleged 'broken code' that could not be repaired, obviously the initial release was a mes but the subsequent engine fix gave us (most of us) a pretty stable sim that still looked better than anything else, certainly more than we can expect with the new BOS (yet people are practically crapping themselves with excitement over the lack of features being promised by BOS).....

'we are going to build a new sim with absolutely no fancy features based on an old DX9 engine but it will work out of the box'

'yayyy!!! were getting a featureless blandfest with nothing fancy but satisfies our entitlement to instant gratification'

Well it better bloody work out of the box, theres absolutely NO excuse for bugs on an engine released in 2009.....oh wait!