Was Oleg Maddox too far ahead of his time?

[Frequent_Flyer]

Originally Posted by fruitbat

Odd analogy.

One is a one morning battle, the other two are campaigns over many months, but I digress.

While you might not be interested in the Battle of Stalingrad, but there's plenty of people who are regardless, including myself.

The same comments were said about the choice of BOB, plenty of interest. The results tell a different story. It is a flwed business plan to take a miscule market segment , flight sims ,and narrow the scope of interest to a theater with a very limited market appeal- BOS.

There is a relatively small group who will purchase any title. Attracting the new blood and keeping them interested enough to be repeat customers is how the business will flourish.

BOB and BOS are the same Sim. Fly 15 miles to the front to attack a small group of twin engine bombers attacking a ground target or escort them . A map with a large city essentially useless except to drain computer resources surrounded by mundane scenery.

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by Frequent_Flyer

BOB and BOS are the same Sim. Fly 15 miles to the front to attack a small group of twin engine bombers attacking a ground target or escort them . A map with a large city essentially useless except to drain computer resources surrounded by mundane scenery.

Hmmmm exactly, except for one of the largest and most pivotal land battles of WWII being fought below, as opposed to no land battle being fought below full stop, lol.

Of the top of my head can only really think of Kursk as being as, if not a more significant land battle in WWII.

And please don't say Normandy.

[Frequent_Flyer]

Originally Posted by fruitbat

Hmmmm exactly, except for one of the largest and most pivotal land battles of WWII being fought below, as opposed to no land battle being fought below full stop, lol.

Of the top of my head can only really think of Kursk as being as, if not a more significant land battle in WWII.

And please don't say Normandy.

Let's not take our eye off the ball,were talking about flight sims, right. Unless you expect the building to building, hand to hand combat to be simulated. It certainly does not interest me.
The other major difference in BOB vs. BOS is the most successful pilots were Polish in BOB.

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by Frequent_Flyer

Let's not take our eye off the ball,were talking about flight sims, right. Unless you expect the building to building, hand to hand combat to be simulated. It certainly does not interest me.


The other major difference in BOB vs. BOS is the most successful pilots were Polish in BOB.

1) it makes a huge difference, because of groundpounding, tankbusting and close support, none of which was involved in BoB, and which you can recreate well in il2. Battle of Stalingrad wasn't just the City.

2) a) irrelevant and b) incorrect, they were German.

[Frequent_Flyer]

Originally Posted by fruitbat

1) it makes a huge difference, because of groundpounding, tankbusting and close support, none of which was involved in BoB, and which you can recreate well in il2. Battle of Stalingrad wasn't just the City.

2) a) irrelevant and b) incorrect, they were German.

1) Either battle , as a fighter you are escorting bombers/attack aircraft to a ground target or intercepting them. In both instances a very short distance.

2) Maybe the contribution of the Polish fighter pilots were insignificant to you but not to the BOB. They fought less than half the battle and their kill ratio per sortie was better than any german unit, it depends on your definition of success!

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by Frequent_Flyer

2) Maybe the contribution of the Polish fighter pilots were insignificant to you but not to the BOB. They fought less than half the battle and their kill ratio per sortie was better than any german unit, it depends on your definition of success!

Not insignificant to me at all, don't put words into my mouth that i didn't say. However, I don't understand the relevance of it though, with regard to you saying BoB is the same as BoS, which is what we were talking about until your tangent. Care to explain?

And by the 'traditional' method of kills, German pilots were the most successful of BoB by individuals, kill ratios you may well be right. I certainly don't disagree about the contribution of the Poles, but you should also add the Czechs to that as well, since we're talking about performance, and 54 squadron as well, who only fought half the battle as well, and were the top scoring squadron before they were withdrawn from the battle at the start of Sept.

But as interesting as this all is, what's it got to do with Stalingrad, being such a bad theatre?

[Frequent_Flyer]

Originally Posted by fruitbat

Not insignificant to me at all, don't put words into my mouth that i didn't say. However, I don't understand the relevance of it though, with regard to you saying BoB is the same as BoS, which is what we were talking about until your tangent. Care to explain?

And by the 'traditional' method of kills, German pilots were the most successful of BoB by individuals. I certainly don't disagree about the contribution of the Poles, but you should also add the Czechs to that as well, since we're talking about performance, and 54 squadron as well, who only fought half the battle as well, and were the top scoring squadron before they were withdrawn from the battle at the start of Sept.

Your sarcastic and cynical responses left me with the impression a serious relevant exchange was not your intention.

[arthursmedley]

Originally Posted by fruitbat

Of the top of my head can only really think of Kursk as being as, if not a more significant land battle in WWII.

And please don't say Normandy.

Most significant battles of WWII were BoB and BoM in winter of '41. Everything else was either a product of these two battles or a side-show.

[ZaltysZ]

BoS air warfare is something like this: Luftwaffe air superiority mostly until Soviet counteroffensive, lots of bombing/ground attack sorties for Luftwaffe, lots of night sorties for Soviets. Kuban would be way way better for dogfights.

[Frequent_Flyer]

Originally Posted by arthursmedley

Most significant battles of WWII were BoB and BoM in winter of '41. Everything else was either a product of these two battles or a side-show.

The most significant battles of WW II were political, the war was the sideshow.