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[Feathered_IV]

Different bit of England there.

[Flanker35M]

S!

Can't really understand the amount of dislike and hostility here. IL-2 took the plunge and is dead, long live the king. It is now transferring to a new engine and we do NOT know if it will be exactly the same or DirectX 11 for example. Too much speculation going on. We all want a sim but still keep bitching about it like kids. Sad. Better give it a shot when released rather than biotch about it and not even giving it a chance.

[Hooves]

I can practically hear Bliss crying, lol.. and crumpling up pieces of paper and grumbling.

[Hooves]

Originally Posted by Flanker35M

S!

Can't really understand the amount of dislike and hostility here. IL-2 took the plunge and is dead, long live the king. It is now transferring to a new engine and we do NOT know if it will be exactly the same or DirectX 11 for example. Too much speculation going on. We all want a sim but still keep bitching about it like kids. Sad. Better give it a shot when released rather than biotch about it and not even giving it a chance.

This ^ for f's sake guys, its dead, they were a hole's to us while it was alive and now a actually well managed team is going to take on the next chapter of Il2. God you act liked they came over to your house and kicked your dog.

But on topic, there are some very beatiful shots that can be found in ROF. YES I KNOW ABOUT THE GROUND OBJECT LIMIT. But that is something that I'm sure they are going to work on. I doubt Jason took on this project knowing full well his engine couldn't handle it. I'm pretty sure he is aware of what can be done in DN in the future, I mean hell look at ARMA, that is the Real Virtuality Engine that ran OFP. Look at ARMA 3. Graphics engines can evolve.

[startrekmike]

You know, I joined this community not long ago with this silly idea that all of us Flight sim fans were in this together, that we were a tight knit community that knew not only how to behave but how to treat each other like human beings.

What I have seen on this post goes beyond playful sibling rivalry, this is outright shameful, all this nitpicking and hate for something you all know NOTHING about yet, there is no actual information yet beyond a few words on a page and you will think it is okay to jump on the 777 hatewagon.

I am going to be honest, I am one of those dirty ROF players and I find many of the posts on this topic (mostly from Banned) to be insulting and hurtful, I mean, don't you get that it is okay to like both, that liking one does not mean you can't like the other.

Lets be honest here, CloD is dead, it has been dead since the last steam patch and while I find it perfectly playable and very fun, it is not the product that we wanted and it is not the one that they set out to make, bad choices were made and now it is over.

777 has run a tight ship, while you may all look at ROF (in development) screenshots and thumb your noses, blurting insults at anyone who dares like the "rival", you all have to admit that ROF works as planned, everything that they set out to do gets done without all the drama and bellyaching that we have seen from some of the CloD dev's and forum mods, it just plain works and it works really well.

I am not going to get into a fight over what is better in terms of gameplay, I prefer CloD's clickable cockpits (yes Banned, even a lowly ROF player can handle them, I even play DCS titles, is your mind blown?) and the overall look of the maps and aircraft but when it comes to feel, when it comes to the flight model, ROF wins hands down, it just feels right.

ROF is my go-to sim these days, I have all the planes and will continue to buy content for it as they release it, I would have bought Battle over Moscow also but that was never to be, I had my doubts that they could get things together and they came true.

Look at it this way, if it were not for this partnership, there would be no IL-2 anymore, in a way, us lowly ROF players are opening our doors to the CloD community and we are not doing so with vicious bile and hate, we welcome new players into our community with open arms.

I don't hate on CloD or CloD players because I play ROF, heck, I play CloD on a regular basis myself!

Perhaps it is time to just accept the fact that CloD is dead and maybe try to think of this as a fresh start where we can put away our petty rivalry and move on to brighter times for both of us.

[ParaB]

It's not the "community". The problem is that a very small but vocal group of people on this forum have gone into full crusade mode the moment the news got released. Fanboys at its worst... The vast majority of the forum users seem to simply acknowledge the news and look forward to more info and hopefully a decent WW2 flightsim.

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by ParaB

It's not the "community". The problem is that a very small but vocal group of people on this forum have gone into full crusade mode the moment the news got released. Fanboys at its worst... The vast majority of the forum users seem to simply acknowledge the news and look forward to more info and hopefully a decent WW2 flightsim.

Of course it problem now that the roles have reversed, don't recall you making a post about all the rof fanboys smear campaign...

double standards...

[ParaB]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

Of course it problem now that the roles have reversed, don't recall you making a post about all the rof fanboys smear campaign...

double standards...

Do you actually want to compare the criticism of customers who paid for a deeply flawed product with the ridiculous whining over a product that hasn't even been released?



You don't think that some people are overreacting maybe just a tiny little bit?

[Fenice_1965]

If it was a mod for IL2 it would at least have cockpit damage. ROF doesn't even have that. This is like 20 steps backwards.

I agree, but wanted to be kind.
My initial impression is that CLOD has been judged a project too complex to be developed with enough economic satisfaction.
The ROF engine at the moment is not as advanced as CLOD engine, but can do the job to give a working title in less than two years.
They seem to have reduced the target to a less ambitious goal, to avoid being involved in something that cannot be reached, or reached with too much difficulty.
I have bought a computer able to run CLOD one month ago and can say (but it's only an opinion) that with a machine capable to run it, the game is amazing in a lot of sectors.
The game anyway seems uncomplete and cannot compete with IL2 (but can with ROF...) in terms of variety of features, planes and scenarios, not to talk of the larger online community.
This is not a new scenario in Flight simulations. It remembers me the Falcon 4 saga. Falcon 4 had & has (now) features so advanced that all the simulators that came after gave up to use. I refer to the virtual battlefield which is the only or at least the more advanced real dinamic campaign ever realized for a simulator. Falcon is built around a battlefield where the plane is the latest piece. You play realtime and you have an entire geoographic area living below you, reacting to your moves and to the moves of hundreds of objects living on it. You can live a server alone 24/24 and he "plays" itself, conducts the war, even if there are no humans on it. You can join anytime and take the role of one of the planes that the server has already programmed to play the war.
Unfortunately the system was so hard to fix that at a certain moment Microprose realized that the money spent on it would never be recovered and abandoned the project.
The community developed the initial project cleaning, fixing and updating it.
At today Falcon is still alive and is still the benchmark for modern flight simulations at least in some areas (DCS product are a good competitor....), and has a strong community even if cannot compete in terms of graphics with more advanced projects.
Now what we have to hope is that 1c and 777 will sum up their competences to raise up the standards of WWII flight sims, instead of the contrary.
I do not have the technical knowledge to judge if considerations based on actual ROF engine are worthy in future perspective.
If the engine can be drastically enhanced and (even more) if programmers have the project to push up the standards of WWII flight sims, instead of searching for a compromise solution, able to give a complete product in a shorter time, our worries are not justified.
The business model seems to guarantee more money than CLOD. This can be bad because we have to spend more, and because will sure limit the production of third party addons, but can be good if they will use the more money to give us a richer product and guarantee the life of the genre.

[furbs]

ROF with SeetFX right now, the ROF engine will be added to and updated for the next sim.