Spider no loss without Magic Spring ?

[Xev]

Originally Posted by dainbramage

You can do it with a fairly standard army no loss.

Army:
Trolls, unsplit
Warrior maidens, split into 2
2x damage stacks, or 1 tank + 1 damage

Trolls tank and slowly damage the spider. Call of nature right in-front of the spider is also a good idea. Warrior maidens resurrect anything that dies. Other stacks clean up spiders and can hit the big spider if you have a revive handy.

Maidens were killed very fast. You must handle 10+ stacks with 200+ spiders without loss. BTW Maidens resurrects 1-4, not the trolls.

[dainbramage]

Originally Posted by Xev

Maidens were killed very fast. You must handle 10+ stacks with 200+ spiders without loss. BTW Maidens resurrects 1-4, not the trolls.

What killed the maidens, you couldn't keep the spider stacks down? You need a reset if the big spider picks on them a lot, but I was able to kill all of the little spiders before they could act. And yeah you're not meant to lose a troll.

I should add I didn't come up with this (the method was posted in some other thread about the spider), but the adaption I used worked well.

[Xev]

Originally Posted by dainbramage

What killed the maidens, you couldn't keep the spider stacks down? You need a reset if the big spider picks on them a lot, but I was able to kill all of the little spiders before they could act. And yeah you're not meant to lose a troll.

I should add I didn't come up with this (the method was posted in some other thread about the spider), but the adaption I used worked well.

We speak of impossible/no loss, else?
Impossible means: Spider boss will kill randomly 2-3 maidens. If you kill spider stacks then the next stacks are bigger and so on. Don't tell something like it's all so easy if you never have done it yourself.

[Youpiya]

Congrats !!!! That is giving me hope !!!!

I will try tonight, yeasterday I just went 17 fights ago (my last save) to get hilda's power. So I had to re-do 17 fights before going to the spider. And I could not finish the 17 fights before going to bed
For the rules :
- The 1 is logical, I already did not kill spiders !
- The 2 is also logical, that is why I did 17 fights again, because I stupidly used the Hilda ability 2 fights before the spider...
- The 3 I will do, but the thing is I do not have that leadership, I'm just lvl18, so I will never have the ability to have more than 5 trolls... Even with my +20% leadership, I cant go more than 5...
- The 4/5, I did it sometimes but the thing is I had also Jotun and Giant to heal, so it is tough to use the mana right at each turn (even with higher magic level 3 !)
- The 6, I plan to do the perfect fight and learn where the boss go, and redo it again as many times as necessary
- For the 7 and for the red circle, tx, I did not notice that and it is very smart

Raaaa, I have to wait for tonight, damn family with son and daughter.
I really love them, but I WANT TO KILL THAT SPIDER !!!!

[Youpiya]

I'm finally at the end of my 17 fights, have the inspiration of hilda ready, but I need an extra level before the spider fight.
So I upgrade my items.
Each fight won, I look at the Call Colossus result. Surprisingly, since I am in the spider cave, it is always Black dragon. It sucks for the spider combat... So I go out and try the Call Colossus again. Surprise ! It changes to Ogres !!!!

So, good to know : the randomization of call colossus spell changed from KB TL and AP : now, it is the place you are in the game that gives the troop !!!!
I'm now navigating through the map, looking for a Cyclop

And then, the spider is mine : NO LOSS POWER !

[Snow11]

I'm in the same situation, with 3 trolls as viking, and i decided just to restart the game and hope for mana spring or rage eater or someothing like that.
I think it's impossible to beat it no loss without mana regen or other helpful means like phisical or poison resist gears or call colossus..

The best i could think of is arranging your trolls in such a way that the one that hit the boss only get retaliated but never attacked by the boss in the same turn so that you won't need stone skin. But still there is the problem with the increasing number of the little spiders and moving of the boss.


Edit: Is it possible to heal the cyclopes? I think thay were unhealble in the previous versions.

[Youpiya]

I think it is doable. Xev did it, that gives me hope. Did you try to have Cyclops ? succeeding in the quest of the zombie woman gives you a Call Colossus spell !!

I travel all other the map, the best unit I had is Archidemon, I think with 4 jotuns + 3 archdemons + 3 trolls + my 100 manas (I upgraded a few items) + a good combination in combat, it is doable.

Now, true, you are Viking, not Soothsayer... My 100 manas are useful, your 100 rages are no use in the spider combat...
This is the 4th time I restart the game in impossible to have a total no loss, I knew the Viking sucked after playing 10 hours as it. I almost succeeded as a Skald, but the necromancer is nearly doable and I did not have the good scrolls...

Good luck anyway... Restarting totally after 150 fights, it is tough, because 150 fights is very long. I would have waited 1 or 2 month myself before restarting, in order to have the "fire". Moreover, in 1 or 2 months, the Archdemon power bug will be (I hope) corrected.

[Snow11]

Oh lol i didnt know that completing the zombie womam quest gives call colossus
I jumped on the spider before finishing all quests and mobs
Still is it possible to heal the cyclopes? Anyway i have 0 mana regen as viking and only 45+ mana i dont think it's enouth to beat him with such strategy.
I'll try though with 5-6 trolls, may be it will work.