Spider no loss without Magic Spring ?

[Youpiya]

Tx for answering me as you seem to be the only one in this topic who really tried. For me it is not doable without magic spring. May be it is, but I need more that "it is easy" or "use stone skin", I spent about 500 hours in KBtL, 1500 hours in KBAP, I am at about 100 hours i WotN, and 10 of these 100 hours were spent on this spider combat... I'm no noob.

The thing is, my trolls, with 40 or 180ATT (after frenzy and death of other spiders) do the same damage to the big spider (162 to 216 only, never more). The small spiders it is logical, because they have a DEF which is less than 3 times trolls ATT. The big spider seems to have a small DEF either.
Average damage = 189. 34000/189 = 180 rounds if it is only 1 troll hitting the spider. At 100 rounds, packs of spider are of 300 to 400 and 2 of them kill one troll... So I need to have at least 2 or 3 trolls on the spider...

I have a +20% leadership, a call colossus (best is 3 Giants) and a +10DEF.
I do not have mana regenerator as it is not usefull after the 20th round. Is it ? Did the rule change since AP and +2/4/8 mana are till the end of the combat ???
I need a lead, I want this fight to be a no loss !!!!

[Youpiya]

I may have a solution with 3 trolls + 3 jotuns + 3 giants.
I need to have a 30 round max victory to succeed. Regards to the damages done by 2 or 3 hitting the spider, it is doable, because I have higher magic level3 + Healing lvl3. But for this, I need to find the perfect combat with only 1 move of the spider. I'll try when my daughter is asleep !!

[Xev]

Originally Posted by Youpiya

I may have a solution with 3 trolls + 3 jotuns + 3 giants.
I need to have a 30 round max victory to succeed. Regards to the damages done by 2 or 3 hitting the spider, it is doable, because I have higher magic level3 + Healing lvl3. But for this, I need to find the perfect combat with only 1 move of the spider. I'll try when my daughter is asleep !!

Please tell us when you succeed with this combination. It's great to see another guy who will not give up.
BTW. You got giants? At one of jotun houses?

[ckdamascus]

Yes, the correct combination is the 3 locations, but, what do you do when the spider moves? Your trolls are stuck... how do they get from one side to the other? It turns into a web fest too.

I used to split up the 3 trolls so no matter where the spider is, at least one troll can hit them, but that takes a while.

Maybe I didn't try hard enough but I just didn't feel the 100+ rounds of combat was worth it for me. (well that was with the Viking/Warrior).

With my Soothsayer, I just figured it wasn't worth it. Took me 24 rounds with losses and that was while using a lot of bears for heavy offense.

Yeah, only way to do it with 3 giants would be if you get lucky with a Call Colossus (which I incidentally did have). Although I wonder if they are really the best choice?

It might be doable if the current game wasn't BROKEN with regards to archdemons NOT getting rage balls even if they score a kill.

Anyway, you'll see what i mean by no loss is not worth it if you try to beat the game.