Please start VAC online.

[Catseye]

Originally Posted by notafinger!

Actually the two kinds of people are those who know they are crap pilots, like myself, and try to learn from every encounter and improve their flying. The other are those who think they are Manfred von Richthofen reincarnate and if they lose it's because the other guy was cheating.

To me it doesn't matter if a person is a noob or an ace. Just checking the kill stats window inflight and watching numbers going up for certain pilots, to ridiculous figures within one hours flying time is enough to put up the yellow caution flags for me. This is repeated over and over.

Nobody is that good!

That they can have 14 kills within an hour while other very good pilots and well-known are around 3 or so. The statistics are important here. Heck, there isn't enough ammo on board for these numbers and not enough time to land and takeoff again to even find enough targets to initiate these numbers. Something is very amiss.

I've seen some pilots totaling up to 10 plus kills but they've been online for most of the day - not one hour and not necessarily repeatable.

I've been flying for many years and In my mind I'm convinced that there are good pilots out there that have some additional augmentation going on. The stats indicate that possibility.

I have no idea what these are because I do not spend any effort into looking at mods - not my style.

This is why IMHO that VAC needs to be turned on and active and the developers should have made it a part of their final delivery.

[notafinger!]

Originally Posted by Catseye

To me it doesn't matter if a person is a noob or an ace. Just checking the kill stats window inflight and watching numbers going up for certain pilots, to ridiculous figures within one hours flying time is enough to put up the yellow caution flags for me. This is repeated over and over.

No body is that good!

That they can have 14 kills within an hour while other very good pilots and well-known are around 3 or so. The statistics are important here. Heck, there isn't enough ammo on board for these numbers and not enough time to land and takeoff again to even find enough targets to initiate these numbers. Something is very amiss.

I've seen some pilots totaling up to 10 plus kills but they've been online for most of the day - not one hour and not necessarily repeatable.

I've been flying for many years and In my mind I'm convinced that there are good pilots out there that have some additional augmentation going on. The stats indicate that possibility.

I have no idea what these are because I do not spend any effort into looking at mods - not my style.

This is why IMHO that VAC needs to be turned on and active and the developers should have made it a part of their final delivery.

I'm sorry to have to do this and please don't take personal offense. Read this article and maybe you will start to understand. This is a video game. The guy who plays it from a purely competitive mindset is approaching it completely different than the guy playing from simulation/history mindset. You play for fun/leisure, he plays for sport. The article will probably upset you but you should read it to the end.

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/intermediates-guide.html

[AbortedMan]

Originally Posted by notafinger!

I'm sorry to have to do this and please don't take personal offense. Read this article and maybe you will start to understand. This is a video game. The guy who plays it from a purely competitive mindset is approaching it completely different than the guy playing from simulation/history mindset. You play for fun/leisure, he plays for sport. The article will probably upset you but you should read it to the end.

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/intermediates-guide.html

No personal offense taken here, I understand your sentiment and what you're trying to say, no offense at all to you and your intelligence, but surely you cannot be that dense and believe that any aspect of online gaming on any platform is completely pure and devoid of the scum that are cheaters.

It's extremely possible in this game to cheat undetected with scripts and/or FM modifications, you have to admit that, because it's fact. Fact proven, explained, demonstrated and shown to a select few by ATAG members themselves...something to the tune of a 500-700mph aircraft in level flight on one of their test sessions. The smart cheaters don't make it blatantly obvious so they can get away with it and keep cheating. I wouldn't be surprised if there were lots of people using maphacks to get locations on enemy aircraft and nothing else...which is enough to skew the game drastically.

The first step towards doing something about cheaters is realizing there is a problem. I see no one here crying that they got shot down by a better pilot, but that they notice something is not right.

notafinger and others, do you need examples of hacks as proof that this happens everwhere and that it's not just a case of unmatched skills?...

Planetside 2 - Deemed unhackable at one point. Here is a video of a player using an aimbot and a maphack (that square map thing on the top isn't supposed to be there) that shows all locations of players. All possible by manipulating data while in RAM, where the cheat protection checks have already been passed through:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-B4gsBsKHk

Battlefield 3 - The hacks and cheats in this game are ridiculous and seemingly endless in their creativity. This video here shows my personal encounter with a cheater named dieselgreen. He was aimbotting, headshotting people with a sniper rifle while running and jumping while rapidly firing. All possible by manipulating data while in RAM, where the cheat protection checks have already been passed through:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C19YSeW4epU

IL2 1946 - Here's a ridiculous hack from 1946...the same engine that CloD is based on, mind you, meaning the same methods and tools can be used in CloD to produce the same effects if one were so technically inclined:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ9Pr_VRrzw

Please, don't be naive. Do not pass off suspicions as simple personal misjudgment of skills and ability, I'm confident that 99% of the active CloD crowd aren't those kind of people./

[Catseye]

Originally Posted by notafinger!

I'm sorry to have to do this and please don't take personal offense. Read this article and maybe you will start to understand. This is a video game. The guy who plays it from a purely competitive mindset is approaching it completely different than the guy playing from simulation/history mindset. You play for fun/leisure, he plays for sport. The article will probably upset you but you should read it to the end.

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/intermediates-guide.html

Not interested in comparing the different types of mindsets in gaming. I do know and I've been around enough to know that in this medium, there are no guarantees as to the honour of anyone competing.

That's why most good fliers are in squadrons with squadron etiquette and ROE in effect. Open public servers - no guarantee as to who you meet or fly against. There are some pretty big low-life people out there just as there is the opposite.

I stand by my observations of the odds of score accumulation taking into consideration all the facets of this sim.

Public servers - just like public chat rooms invite all types and without controls in place . . . . . will say no more.

As an aside, you don't really know what my mindset is in the gaming world.

Again, I draw your attention to the statistics of kills ratio and what is known to be doable by those, including me, who have been here a very very long time.

[David198502]

Originally Posted by Catseye

To me it doesn't matter if a person is a noob or an ace. Just checking the kill stats window inflight and watching numbers going up for certain pilots, to ridiculous figures within one hours flying time is enough to put up the yellow caution flags for me. This is repeated over and over.

Nobody is that good!

That they can have 14 kills within an hour while other very good pilots and well-known are around 3 or so. The statistics are important here. Heck, there isn't enough ammo on board for these numbers and not enough time to land and takeoff again to even find enough targets to initiate these numbers. Something is very amiss.

I've seen some pilots totaling up to 10 plus kills but they've been online for most of the day - not one hour and not necessarily repeatable.

I've been flying for many years and In my mind I'm convinced that there are good pilots out there that have some additional augmentation going on. The stats indicate that possibility.

I have no idea what these are because I do not spend any effort into looking at mods - not my style.

This is why IMHO that VAC needs to be turned on and active and the developers should have made it a part of their final delivery.

sorry but that has nothing to do with cheating...
there are that good pilots, simple fact.

ive done 10kills in one sortie not only once, and i know that there are way better pilots out there...

and especially with the stats and how they work in clod, you can get really quick to very high kill numbers, as you only have to damage the plane slightly,....if the pilot then lands and the plane despawns, you will get credit for it....

[recoilfx]

I have >500hrs of CloD time, I have not seen one instance of cheating.....

It's also mostly the Red-only fliers that are making claims about cheating, which leads to me believe this is a FM issue. To the reds, the 109's are just too good at climbing?

[JTDawg]

Originally Posted by David198502

sorry but that has nothing to do with cheating...
there are that good pilots, simple fact.

ive done 10kills in one sortie not only once, and i know that there are way better pilots out there...

and especially with the stats and how they work in clod, you can get really quick to very high kill numbers, as you only have to damage the plane slightly,....if the pilot then lands and the plane despawns, you will get credit for it....

+1 XE-90 IN sow yesterday if i remember right heavy damage on 4or5 87s still shot down 3 +1 109 so on reg . server that would be 9 or 10 kills ,

[5./JG27.Farber]

Originally Posted by Catseye

Nobody is that good!

That they can have 14 kills within an hour while other very good pilots and well-known are around 3 or so.

Easy, go on ATAG and shoot down 14 bombers... I could easily shoot down that many on one trip especially if no escorts are around.

Alternatively vulch an airfield where people keep spawning.

Most of the better pilots dont do this because its not what they are there for, like myself. If I wanted to club seals I'd go for a holiday in Canada!

[Catseye]

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

Easy, go on ATAG and shoot down 14 bombers... I could easily shoot down that many on one trip especially if no escorts are around.

Alternatively vulch an airfield where people keep spawning.

Most of the better pilots dont do this because its not what they are there for, like myself. If I wanted to club seals I'd go for a holiday in Canada!

The pilots I observe are not shooting bombers!!

[AbortedMan]

Originally Posted by Catseye

The pilots I observe are not shooting bombers!!

Ditto. I was going to comment the same thing.