The Last Patch Didn't Fix The Game

[MadBlaster]

I notice there are lots of posts now about kings bounty and hardly any for clod. Tell's me they could use all that kings bounty money to fix clod instead of telling lies to sell a likely already broken sequel to a broken clod that doesn't work on xp when they said it was supposed to, but really doesn't.

[lokitexas]

I understand people trying to be positive, but there is a fine line between positive and utter denial.

Saying the sequel will fix all the problems, will do this and that, weather, campaign, etc. etc. is really a silly thing to think will happen given the track record. The same thing was said over and over with every beta patch for CLoD.

What makes you think that the devs that couldnt put CLoD together, after over a year, will have any more luck with the next game? Ever think they just dont know how? I personally do. I dont think they are capable to making a working game.

And finally the biggest mistake for the devs...lack of an SDK. Without it, you can kiss the franchise goodbye. The fact that user made content and mods, helped sell original IL2 for years and years, its proof that the user base of talented modders knows more about making what people want than the devs. They should have realized this, and given us a shell and let the community do the rest. Like ArmA did.

[CWMV]

Thing is if CoD was worth the effort to mod it would already be done.
How long did it take for kegeties(sp?) To add a basic modact? Not long. Modders don't really need an SDK, they need something worth adding to. Thus far there isnt.

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by lokitexas

I understand people trying to be positive, but there is a fine line between positive and utter denial.

Saying the sequel will fix all the problems, will do this and that, weather, campaign, etc. etc. is really a silly thing to think will happen given the track record. The same thing was said over and over with every beta patch for CLoD.

What makes you think that the devs that couldnt put CLoD together, after over a year, will have any more luck with the next game? Ever think they just dont know how? I personally do. I dont think they are capable to making a working game.

And finally the biggest mistake for the devs...lack of an SDK. Without it, you can kiss the franchise goodbye. The fact that user made content and mods, helped sell original IL2 for years and years, its proof that the user base of talented modders knows more about making what people want than the devs. They should have realized this, and given us a shell and let the community do the rest. Like ArmA did.

They plan to have the map SDK in the Sequel, that said the original series never had any SDK's, or development support, and still did wonders. Even if the development shut down today I'm sure there will be people in the community and other third parties who will tackle the issues head on, but I would prefer the development stayed in business aswell to make it all happen much faster. Just because the development hasn't been able to finish the project in a reasonable time frame doesn't mean it can't be done. Thankfully they have investors, who aren't as pessimistic, that still think they can pull it off.

"Everyone" understand there are no guarantees that much will be fixed in the Sequel, but much of the work over the last couple of years was dominated by rewriting and optimizations on the game engine to make the sim playable on the average PC. Now that they've made decent strides with the game engine, I see no reason they can't make decent strides with the gameplay issues, over the next year or two.

[RickRuski]

Originally posted by Chivas: _

There is no chance there will be a demo. They don't have the time or money to produce one. Like I said in many previous posts, you will have to make a decision based on reviews you trust.
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Sorry Chivas I don't agree with you, they will have to do something to win back the trust and a time limited demo (or an open beta) would be the way to go. Microsoft has time limited betas for some software so where is the problem.
You have also stated that we should go on reviews by those that we trust with the sequel, who do we trust?. A lot of those posting in the forums could be classed as "fan boys", I certainly wouldn't trust their opinions. After seeing how the supporters of the Il2 series have been hung out to dry with the C.o.D. I certainly won't trust the developers with the sequel without proof, their specs will no longer mean anything to those who have waited 18 months only to be told that C.o.D. is finished.

To the developers: -

SHOW US THE PROOF

[Yvetette]

CloD is what it is with its strong points and flaws. The thing that worries me are Ilya's words "in a very near future". Having spend quite lot of time in Russia it is my experience that the word "future" in Russian often means "never". Hopefully not this time.

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by RickRuski

Originally posted by Chivas: _

There is no chance there will be a demo. They don't have the time or money to produce one. Like I said in many previous posts, you will have to make a decision based on reviews you trust.
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Sorry Chivas I don't agree with you, they will have to do something to win back the trust and a time limited demo (or an open beta) would be the way to go. Microsoft has time limited betas for some software so where is the problem.
You have also stated that we should go on reviews by those that we trust with the sequel, who do we trust?. A lot of those posting in the forums could be classed as "fan boys", I certainly wouldn't trust their opinions. After seeing how the supporters of the Il2 series have been hung out to dry with the C.o.D. I certainly won't trust the developers with the sequel without proof, their specs will no longer mean anything to those who have waited 18 months only to be told that C.o.D. is finished.

To the developers: -

SHOW US THE PROOF

Microsoft can afford to have all the demos it would like. The new IL-2 developement has neither the time or the money to waste on a Demo. I didn't say to trust fanboy reviews, I said find one you could trust, maybe check out the reviewers that gave COD poor reviews last time and see if things have changed. Its all common sense, use it. There will be plenty of reviews, you should be able to figure it out.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by lokitexas

What makes you think that the devs that couldnt put CLoD together, after over a year, will have any more luck with the next game? Ever think they just dont know how? I personally do. I dont think they are capable to making a working game.

Well, i think that the devs can make the best combat flight sim ever:



Just that deserves one year of wait and my money spend. If you call this "unfinished" ou think it's a piece of crap, i don't think so, i like this software A LOT!

Bye!

[Forged]

Well, I personally feel I've gotten my money's worth from the game - and I still have a lot left to do. I've spent over 100 hours in the game and I know I'll spend hundreds more. That's a hell of a lot of time for a small inexpensive purchase. I've paid more for other games and played less time.

Yes, it isn't perfect, but it's definitely playable and a hell of a lot of fun.

[lokitexas]

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM

Well, i think that the devs can make the best combat flight sim ever:



Just that deserves one year of wait and my money spend. If you call this "unfinished" ou think it's a piece of crap, i don't think so, i like this software A LOT!

Bye!

So if they can make a nice DM its a complete game? Way to set your expectation bar, on what a great sim is.

Glad you can enjoy the game....doesnt change the fact its still unfinished, and support is over for it.

DCS has just as impressive DM. Also is complete, and still being updated, added to, and working as advertised. See that is the difference.