Game Hurricane is 534 lbs overweight

[JtD]

Originally Posted by *Buzzsaw*

If the 434 lbs additional weight added has nothing to do with the actual weights of bullet proof glass and armour plate over the fuel tanks and behind the pilot, then what is the actual weight we should be looking at for a Rotol equipped Hurricane IA? You mentioned 6793 lbs as an upper end for a Hurricane I, but for a BoB aircraft, any info?

I don't know what the 6750 lb are meant to represent, but it is not completely out of the way as later figures show.

I think the L 2026 is representative for BoB condition without bullet proof windscreen and rear armour plate, i.e. an early BoB version with constant speed prop, and when it's fully fueled up, you're at 6445 lb. Addition of armour and other minor equipment might have added maybe ~150 lb over the course of the year. So I perceive 6445 lb as the lower limit and 6600lb as the upper limit for that period, which puts 3311 kg from in game well out of the reasonable range, no matter which service condition it is meant to represent.

Thanks klem for posting figures on the Hurricane armour plate. Where did you find this info?

[klem]

Originally Posted by JtD

I don't know what the 6750 lb are meant to represent, but it is not completely out of the way as later figures show.

I think the L 2026 is representative for BoB condition without bullet proof windscreen and rear armour plate, i.e. an early BoB version with constant speed prop, and when it's fully fueled up, you're at 6445 lb. Addition of armour and other minor equipment might have added maybe ~150 lb over the course of the year. So I perceive 6445 lb as the lower limit and 6600lb as the upper limit for that period, which puts 3311 kg from in game well out of the reasonable range, no matter which service condition it is meant to represent.

Thanks klem for posting figures on the Hurricane armour plate. Where did you find this info?

Not the best of sources
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Hurricane_variants
"From about May 1940 70 pounds of armour plate protection was added in the form of head and back armour."

Actually I think the specific 73lbs was the Spitfire armour
http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spitfire-I.html
"N.3171 weighed in at 6,050 lbs. The 73 lb. pilot's armour found on more mature Spitfire Is was lacking."
But they would have been very similar. Some of the armour plate appears to be present in the Hurricane MkI we have in the Museum and which was recovered from a hole in the ground in Hove (near Brighton). Flown by Dennis Noble out of Tangmere, 30th August 1940.

[*Buzzsaw*]

Salute

For the second time, please keep the posts to the issue at hand, ie. the weights of the aircraft.

[Kwiatek]

Here is Hurricane MK1 data. Max take of weight is 6793 lbs (3081 kg). So everything above these in CLOD is just wrong.




I checked difference between SPit MK1 (without pilot armour plate) and MK II (with pilot armour plate):

P.7280 ( MK II) - 6172 lb. (2800 kg)
N.3171 ( MK I) - 6050 lb. (2744kg)

..This aeroplane ( MK II) was fitted with a bullet-proof windscreen, armour plating over the petrol tank and externally, apart from the radiator, was similar to the Rotol Spitfire I, N.3171, previously tested at this establishment. The radiator of P.7280 is of the Morris type and tests were called for to determine the suitability of this radiator under tropical conditions. Internally, one difference between this aeroplane and N.3171 has been the fitting of armour plating behind the pilot in the Spitfire II. Generally, any change in performance or handling can be attributed to the change in engine and radiator alone. "

So Spitfire MK1 with aditional pilot armour should have take off weight ab. 6123 lbs ( + 73 lbs armour) - 2777kg

[TomcatViP]

You guys are incorrigible.

Hurri had a complete wing re-skin from fabric to aluminium. After the expeditionary corps experience, rear armor plating was fitted to many hurri/ Structurally it was made also stronger. Also, most of the props were de-havilland wich was more effective but heavier.

Stop trowing apples when CoD is made out of fine grapes.

[Kwiatek]

If you could read correctly data which i posted for Hurricane MK I is from 6.8.1941 and maximum take off weight is listed as 6793 lbs / 3081 kg not 3300 kg like in CLOD.

[TomcatViP]

Where is your source coming from ?

Do you think that all early mkI were eradicated in 1941 ? There was still plenty in Asia, Africa, flight school etc..

I trust the books written by historian.

[Kwiatek]

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

I trust the books written by historian.

Well if you trus books written by historican you live in big mist of history. I read many books where was huge errors in data for aeroplanes. I trust more primary or orignal sources then books writeen by historican

Well have you any data claimed 3311 kg for Hurricane MK1?? Casue i havent seen any. I wonder from where 1C got it? MAby russian books where Spitfires had wodden wings and russian planes outperform anything on the earth including UFO?

Backing to topic take off weight 6793 lbs ( 3081 kg) is the highest weight listed for Hurricane MK1 ( non tropical version) i have seen. Most data clamied much less take off wegiht ( probably without aditional armour)