Thoughts about Friday's update

[Continu0]

Originally Posted by HorrorRoach

Their line of thinking is all wrong.

"Unfortunately, as all businesses we have goals, budgets, profits, losses, expenses, and wages. We have milestones to meet with our future products, and we just cannot miss those."

"Most of you have probably guessed that Cliffs of Dover was not exactly the most profitable project in the world, and for at least the past year supporting it did nothing for the bottom line but put it deeper into the red."

They're acting like they can't make money off Cliffs of Dover anymore. This is ridiculous. It's not like the market is "tapped out"... As a matter of fact, the fastest way for them to make money is to fix Cliffs of Dover so more people buy it. Some advertising would help too. The money they're spending on developing the sequel should be used to advertise Cliffs of Dover. All company personnel should be working on making Cliffs of Dover a game that people are forced to buy because it's awesome. I don't want to hear crap about how the flight sim market is small, not many people are into these types of game... The sales will never be spectacular. Well, make a damn game that increases the simmer base, give newcomers motivation to overcome the learning curve required to enjoy the game. You just need an awesome game.

They're going to make this sequel, and it's not going to be much better then COD is now. Mark my words. They're going to keep releasing half finished products for spurts of money to keep afloat. I think they're only half serious about these games.

EJ

Wishful thinking....

1. The Simmer-Community already knows about the game and many have bought it. So you wouldn´t win a lot of customers extra with a fixed game in the Simmer-Community. Additionally you also can win these customers with a perfectly working BOM which will include CloD as it seems.

2. Advertising costs (a lot btw). And...

3. be sure it is easier to advertise a brandnew Product (sequel) than a broken one of which tons of negative Feedback on the Internet already exists.

So I see no reason to try to push it to a fixed CloD instead of a working BoM because all you can have trough a fixed CloD you can also have with a BoM that works well. (plus you have time to develop new things as you don´t loose time with fixing which means you can deliver new content).

Simple as that.

[HorrorRoach]

Originally Posted by Continu0

Wishful thinking....

1. The Simmer-Community already knows about the game and many have bought it. So you wouldn´t win a lot of customers extra with a fixed game in the Simmer-Community. Additionally you also can win these customers with a perfectly working BOM which will include CloD as it seems.

2. Advertising costs (a lot btw). And...

3. be sure it is easier to advertise a brandnew Product (sequel) than a broken one of which tons of negative Feedback on the Internet already exists.

So I see no reason to try to push it to a fixed CloD instead of a working BoM because all you can have trough a fixed CloD you can also have with a BoM that works well. (plus you have time to develop new things as you don´t loose time with fixing which means you can deliver new content).

Simple as that.

A perfectly working COD would turn alot of head and create free advertising on it's own. A perfectly working BOM is wishful thinking considering their track record.

[HorrorRoach]

Does everybody really want to be conned into spending another 60$ on a bug ridden, half finished game? They HAVE to fix COD, otherwise no one will buy the sequel.

Simple as that

[Continu0]

Originally Posted by HorrorRoach

Does everybody really want to be conned into spending another 60$ on a bug ridden, half finished game? They HAVE to fix COD, otherwise no one will buy the sequel.

Simple as that

Well, a free demo will convinces everyone, be sure. A demo is advertising for itself as well...

And yes, I plan to invest another 60 bucks. The time I spent on this forum alone excedes hobby-investments I paid more for and spent way less time with it!
If you think like that, you get a lot for 60 bucks!

And PS: If you think you will spend those 60 bucks for another unfinished game it must mean you don´t think they will manage it to get it right in this time... If so, why do you believe they can fix CloD?

[jibo]

product lifespan is short, a failed product is a dead product

[rga]

Well, the situation is pretty much like what happened to Total War series. Empire Total war was one of the most anticipated games of the year, reviewers gave it very high scores, but when gamers actually got their hand on it, they got massively disappointed due to bugs and gameplay issues. CA released some patches which did virtually nothing, then drop the game altogether. They turned to the sequel, Napoleon Total war, which was nothing but a polished version of ETW with new units. Fortunately, this time they did it right as most bugs of ETW were squashed. New game in the series, Shogun 2, won back the love of fans, and now they (me included) are so excited about the new project: Rome 2.

Just an example to say that: sometimes it is better to leave the past behind and start everything from scratch. Surely CloD does not live up to its expectations, but the game does show its potentials. I hope that BOM will be a much better product. But of course I agree with you at one point: if BOM stays broken as its ill-fated prequel, the series is pretty much dead.

[JG52Krupi]

Great example

[335th_GRAthos]

Originally Posted by rga

Well, the situation is pretty much like what happened to Total War series. Empire Total war was one of the most anticipated games of the year, reviewers gave it very high scores, but when gamers actually got their hand on it, they got massively disappointed due to bugs and gameplay issues. CA released some patches which did virtually nothing, then drop the game altogether. They turned to the sequel, Napoleon Total war, which was nothing but a polished version of ETW with new units. Fortunately, this time they did it right as most bugs of ETW were squashed. New game in the series, Shogun 2, won back the love of fans, and now they (me included) are so excited about the new project: Rome 2.

This is a great example, it would be great if they manage to turn the table around with the sequel.

I would immediately (and I will) pay for the sequel, in order to see the progress done.
I know, some people in this forum would say I should not pay again for something that was supposed to have been fixed at first place (paying only once), I do not care about such comments, I am only interested in having the most advanced WW2 flight simulation and CoD is obviously the best platform with the biggest potential in the market today.

~S~

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by HorrorRoach

A perfectly working BOM is wishful thinking considering their track record.

No given there track record I.E. Forgotten Battles the sequel will hopefully have a good start.

[the Dutchman]

We have milestones to meet with our future products, and we just cannot miss those

Took them 6! years to MISS the first one....i think that says enough?