why they say a perpetum mobil its imposible what about the drinking bird?

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by raaaid

nope according science the bird will go on forever as long as theres water in the plate and evaporation happens( which even haoppens at very low temperatures)

no, according to YOU. Read what I wrote Raaaid..

[raaaid]

i think youre confusing friction with wearing off

the bird PRODUCES WORK from evaporation

if you placed the bird in a well of constant level it could be working for 100 years but i admit it will not make it forever

[winny]

Originally Posted by raaaid

i think youre confusing friction with wearing off

the bird PRODUCES WORK from evaporation

if you placed the bird in a well of constant level it could be working for 100 years but i admit it will not make it forever

Temperature and humidity also effect 'dippy birds' if it's too cold or humid they either stop working or slow right down... Conversley, if you replaced the water with ethanol the bird would drink faster.

So in answer to your question "why they say a perpetum mobil its imposible what about the drinking bird?"

Because perpetual is forever and dippy birds aren't. Perpetual motion requires that no energy is taken from anywhere except the machine it's self. This is clearly not the case here. Dippy birds need an external heat source to work.

It's basic stuff. What you're basically doing here is taking a solar panel and making it worse...

[raaaid]

yes actually a wheel conected to a solar cell is equivalent to the drinking bird

but that is also a perpetuum mobil as long as theres the sun

you seem educated what about my proposition to thicken a drinking bird a trillion times keeping its height

the pressure gradient will be equal so it should work as well

the sience world has changed the concept of perpetual motion into creation of energy which is very different

we are brainwashed in college that the best engines are by burning fuel and anything better its imposible

even talking of cold fusion makes you look like a crackpot

[winny]

Originally Posted by raaaid

yes actually a wheel conected to a solar cell is equivalent to the drinking bird.

but that is also a perpetuum mobil as long as theres the sun

you seem educated what about my proposition to thicken a drinking bird a trillion times keeping its height
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The idea of perpetual is forever, the sun isn't forever. You can't call anything that relies on an exhaustable source, no matter how big, perpetual.

Don't think a giant dippy bird is viable, massivley inefficient and financial suicide.
At the end of the day the bird is a heat engine, and a pretty rubbish one at that.

[Tiger27]

Originally Posted by raaaid

yes actually a wheel conected to a solar cell is equivalent to the drinking bird

but that is also a perpetuum mobil as long as theres the sun

you seem educated what about my proposition to thicken a drinking bird a trillion times keeping its height

the pressure gradient will be equal so it should work as well

the sience world has changed the concept of perpetual motion into creation of energy which is very different

we are brainwashed in college that the best engines are by burning fuel and anything better its imposible

even talking of cold fusion makes you look like a crackpot

You have missed the point totally, the description of a perpetual motion device is "motion that continues indefinitely without any external source of energy" your bird has an external source.

The science world hasn't changed anything, without creation of energy how could you have perpetual motion?

[raaaid]

well if you consider science(modern church) definition a perpetuum mobile is that one that violates the 2nd principle of thermodinamics, as you point it creates energy

im more simple as having studied latin perpetuum mobile means it moves till it dies

just as the drinking bird the only KNOWN thermodinamic engine tha NEEDS NO FUEL

you can make a mercury barometer scaled 10000000000000 times in thickness and would work just as its model

then why not a dinking bird to produce energy?

well the petrochemicals dont want it so they brainwashed people into thinking if its not done its because its no no good, of course not good for them

the amount of energy you can get from this is unlimited just make it thicker, and oh boy did i study thermodinamics and physics

edit:

and thinking way out of the box:

dont you think that ufo in that giant dippy birds video i posted 1st confirms its hot stuff?

[Sternjaeger II]

[winny]

Originally Posted by raaaid

well if you consider science(modern church) definition a perpetuum mobile is that one that violates the 2nd principle of thermodinamics, as you point it creates energy

im more simple as having studied latin perpetuum mobile means it moves till it dies

just as the drinking bird the only KNOWN thermodinamic engine tha NEEDS NO FUEL

you can make a mercury barometer scaled 10000000000000 times in thickness and would work just as its model

then why not a dinking bird to produce energy?

well the petrochemicals dont want it so they brainwashed people into thinking if its not done its because its no no good, of course not good for them

the amount of energy you can get from this is unlimited just make it thicker, and oh boy did i study thermodinamics and physics

edit:

and thinking way out of the box:

dont you think that ufo in that giant dippy birds video i posted 1st confirms its hot stuff?

Forget latin. Your post was in English... Sort of. The recognised definition of perpetual motion is that it will continue forever until somebody or something stops it. By your definition a fruit fly that lives for one day is perpetual... Ridiculous.


Depends on what your definition of fuel is. Dippy birds work because of the chemical contained in the 'abdomen' of the bird. To make giant dippy birds would be financially un-workable. You'd need to produce vast quantities of the chemical, causing environmental issues and incurring large costs. The bigger the bird the longer it would take to 'drink'.

Holding the dippy bird up as some sort of example of a perpetual motion engine is just wrong. It isn't. It isn't as efficient as a solar panel, would cost more to make and the price per kilowatt would be astronomical.

Seriously raaid, as a method of energy production it's a non starter. Dippy birds have been around since the 1940's. If there was anything in it as an energy source somebody (probably the guy who owns the patent) would have done it..

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[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by raaaid

i think youre confusing friction with wearing off

the bird PRODUCES WORK from evaporation

if you placed the bird in a well of constant level it could be working for 100 years but i admit it will not make it forever

I'm not confusing anything. Friction causes wearing off.
There's a dispersion of energy,air friction, movement wear..