British FM killing the fun of the game for allied pilots.

[kristorf]

Mission building is a dark art to me and is done in locked rooms with cauldrens boiling in the corner for all I know.

Several of our 'chaps' have tried to build coops but for some reason we/they cannot get them to work properly (don't ask me why, I will stick to skinning).
I suppose frustration and anger has taken over and they cannot understand how something so simple (their words) in IL2/1946 has now become so complicated in CLoD?

[PotNoodles]

Originally Posted by kristorf

Mission building is a dark art to me and is done in locked rooms with cauldrens boiling in the corner for all I know.

Several of our 'chaps' have tried to build coops but for some reason we/they cannot get them to work properly (don't ask me why, I will stick to skinning).
I suppose frustration and anger has taken over and they cannot understand how something so simple (their words) in IL2/1946 has now become so complicated in CLoD?

I heard you can build better things with how it is now, but the problem is many people don't know how to do it because it's so complicated. I just hope more people are able to learn all this new stuff because I don't have a clue how to do it. I am able to make coops in 1946, but this is a whole new ball game and I don't have the time or patience to learn it all.

[TomcatViP]

LoL, there is more lobbying on this forum than in the halls of the European Parliament.

You guys shld switch side from time to time . it's just like taking a new gf. Then the former one doesn't look so bad

[klem]

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

LoL, there is more lobbying on this forum than in the halls of the European Parliament.

You guys shld switch side from time to time . it's just like taking a new gf. Then the former one doesn't look so bad

I did. I flew a 109E-3 tonight. Talk about easy to fly!
Smooth engine with no cutout, retains E, big guns, loads of ammo.

Ah well, back to the laggardly Spitfire or carthorse Hurricane.

[ElAurens]

I just wish the bloody thing was fixed.

I miss flying.

I really do, but I'll be damned if I'm going to waste my time on this broken, one quarter finished, "simulation".

Why do you come here and argue with each other? It's not our fault that things are so awful in CloD. You should be venting your spleens at the developers, who don't seem to be willing, or able, to fix this title.

My only stick time these days is some limited play in IL2/46 with one or two of my old squad mates. That sim works, and it continues to improve.

[Faustnik]

A big problem is no damage model with radiator.

Small MGs lose out with no radiator damage model. Glycol loss was huge number of fighters lost at the Channel.

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by klem

I did. I flew a 109E-3 tonight. Talk about easy to fly!
Smooth engine with no cutout, retains E, big guns, loads of ammo.

Ah well, back to the laggardly Spitfire or carthorse Hurricane.

Its an energy fighter and energy fighting is what it does good..flying it yes is easy, fighting in it correctly isn't...

Yanking back on a stick and turn fighting is easy too if you have a turn fighter..

Yes I can speak from both sides as I spent 7 months in the spits n huri, yanking back when someone on your six don't get much easier that that, scissors easy as pie in a spit even now yet fighting in it vertically isn't...do whatever the other fighter like doing and of course your see it as 'easy'

Let's not now start the whole your plane is well easy to fly and we've got the nerfed fighter debate as that's not the issue here which bird is 'apparently' easy to 'fly' in its about the red fighters getting fixed

[drewpee]

Originally Posted by Ze-Jamz

Its an energy fighter and energy fighting is what it does good..flying it yes is easy, fighting in it correctly isn't...

Yanking back on a stick and turn fighting is easy too if you have a turn fighter..

Yes I can speak from both sides as I spent 7 months in the spits n huri, yanking back when someone on your six don't get much easier that that, scissors easy as pie in a spit even now yet fighting in it vertically isn't...do whatever the other fighter like doing and of course your see it as 'easy'

Let's not now start the whole your plane is well easy to fly and we've got the nerfed fighter debate as that's not the issue here which bird is 'apparently' easy to 'fly' in its about the red fighters getting fixed

Well said. If only people were more willing to try both sides in combat there would be far less arguing about red vs blue.

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by drewpee

Well said. If only people were more willing to try both sides in combat there would be far less arguing about red vs blue.

Yes indeed mate! Many online debates (or arguments if you wish) are going nowehere simply because one side has no clue what the other side is trying to say.

Originally Posted by Ze-Jamz

(109) Its an energy fighter and energy fighting is what it does good..flying it yes is easy, fighting in it correctly isn't...

Any fighter plane is energy fighter as long its used as one. I agree with what you're saying here, in my opinion it's equally difficult to fly any plane well (on its full potential.)

[klem]

Originally Posted by Ze-Jamz

Its an energy fighter and energy fighting is what it does good..flying it yes is easy, fighting in it correctly isn't...

Yanking back on a stick and turn fighting is easy too if you have a turn fighter..

Yes I can speak from both sides as I spent 7 months in the spits n huri, yanking back when someone on your six don't get much easier that that, scissors easy as pie in a spit even now yet fighting in it vertically isn't...do whatever the other fighter like doing and of course your see it as 'easy'

Let's not now start the whole your plane is well easy to fly and we've got the nerfed fighter debate as that's not the issue here which bird is 'apparently' easy to 'fly' in its about the red fighters getting fixed

I didn't start the 'mine's better than yours'. I was responding to TomcatVIP's and now drewpee's recommendation to fly both sides before complaining about one. I did. My opinion is that the CoD 109 is easier to fly than the Spitfire or Hurricane.

Curious when Galland himself said the Spitfire was ridiculously easy to land (compare them on CoD!) and the 109 was said to be a handful on takeoff (which it isn't in CoD).

But the underlying issue is that the FMs of most aircraft need addressing according to the opinions of many that fly on either side and according to some of the testing some of us have actually done instead of making simple subjective claims.