British FM killing the fun of the game for allied pilots.

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

Quoted for emphasis. Historical imbalances should be modeled.

Definitely, I have no problem with that at all. I actually chose to fly for the RAF because flying inferior planes is more of a challenge.

What I do have problem with is the status of the FMs for they do not reflect the so called reality at all. The perfiormance gap was nowhere close to what we have got in the sim in 1.08. Yes, there are some improvements throughout the current betas with some random changes (especially for the RAF as there are 2 new versions) and the changes are in good direction. But new issues with mixture, overheating and general performance are spoiling the fun for the RAF, hence this thread.

And what I don't understand is that there are people who never actually fly these planes (probably never even tried to use them in proper combat) and all they are gonna tell you is yeah yeah whatever, but the 109 is also 50km/h slower.

[Boandlgramer]

Originally Posted by Robo.

And what I don't understand is that there are people who never actually fly these planes (probably never even tried to use them in proper combat) and all they are gonna tell you is yeah yeah whatever, but the 109 is also 50km/h slower.

I like the famous british humor

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by Robo.

and all they are gonna tell you is yeah yeah whatever, but the 109 is also 50km/h slower.

People get defensive because there's an attitude on this forum that says that Axis pilots are just no-skill newbies who can only win because they have super planes. A lot of us are sick of it.

Who are these people going to fly their beloved spitfires against if all the axis pilots leave, which is seemingly what they want?

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

People get defensive because there's an attitude on this forum that says that Axis pilots are just no-skill newbies who can only win because they have super planes. A lot of us are sick of it.

I haven't noticed this kind of attitude to be honest, all I know is that most of Axis pilots I know are very very good and they know what they're doing because they are usually flying more systematically and disciplined. I have many friends among what you call Axis pilots, I also fly the 109 very often myself and I know what it is capable of in good hands. I have great respect for every experienced virtual pilot and the truth is that there is lots of people like that, simply because many guys are flying sims for God knows how many years and they know how to fly and how to shoot. It is also quite obvious that Blue has got the better aircrafts at the moment and unless you're pushing your luck you won't get touched by the RAF if you do things right...

There are also many new pilots just learning how to fly, which is great as the community is growing and they also learn fast (no matter what they fly), so in the end it's quite difficult to find a 109 that doesn't know what to do on full real servers. Almost everybody is good enough to be a threat, especially so in the 109. So I don't quite understand where you're coming from with this 'no-skills newbies' stuff. Some of the best pilots I know are 109 jockeys, the reason being probably that once you're good you want a good ride, too.

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by Robo.

It is also quite obvious that Blue has got the better aircrafts at the moment and unless you're pushing your luck you won't get touched by the RAF if you do things right...

Okay, but if nobody flew the 109 because it's "untouchable" then who would the Allied guys fly against? AI?

Like it or not, Allied pilots need people to fly the 109 otherwise the online scene would collapse. Someone has to be the bad guy, but constantly being taunted gets old pretty fast. They just complain, complain, complain. Well, what are we supposed to do about it? Fly to Moscow and fix the flight models? Axis pilots are just as powerless as Allied pilots when it comes to getting the game fixed, but we're somehow on the receiving end of a lot of hate.

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

Robo,

I think what Doggles was talking about was that most reds blame the aircraft fro not being up to scratch and consider flying a 109 "easy".

I have been on the recieving end of comments like "you only shot me down because the flight models porked!". - when the guy didnt even see me comming

Yep, this is what I meant.

I've lost count of the number of times I spot a spitfire below me flying in a nice straight line and dive on him. I throttle down all the way to idle, because lots of cheaters fly around with their canopies open/jettisoned so that they can hear aircraft 500m behind them I wait until I get to convergence and then open fire with all guns. He bails out and instead of "S~ Nice bounce" it's always something like "109 is a joke" or "fight like a man".

Sour grapes.

[JtD]

And how often have you lately succeeded in bouncing a 109 while in a Spitfire, sending it down in flames? And what words did you get when you did that?

Personally, I find weak opponents more annoying than strong ones, so if the poll question was "is the poor performance of RAF fighters killing the fun for Axis fighter pilots", I'd probably vote yes. But then, all this is secondary to my preference of historically correct performance, leaving the whole fun and balance issue to the mission maker.

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by JtD

And how often have you lately succeeded in bouncing a 109 while in a Spitfire, sending it down in flames? And what words did you get when you did that?

Another good example of the attitude I was talking about. Nothing else matters because the Spitfire is undermodeled. Bad attitudes are acceptable because the Spitfire is undermodeled. This community is toxic. Thanks for perpetuating it, JtD.

Edit in case people still aren't clear: When JTD tries to turn around my comment by saying "how many times have you bounced a 109 flying a spit?" what he is doing is excusing peoples' bad attitudes and enabling their misbehaviour.

It's okay to be frustrated at the state of the FMs. It's not okay to take that frustration out of people who have no control over how the flight models are written.

[Gourmand]

i think is stupidity who killing the fun, just fly you'r favorite plane and not the best ingame...

i thook we are a mature community...

[SlipBall]

Those 8 guns are really really devastating in the right hands, tweaked belt loads, convergence adjustments and piloting skills...I wouldn't want one on my tail.

[JtD]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

Edit in case people still aren't clear: When JTD tries to turn around my comment by saying "how many times have you bounced a 109 flying a spit?" what he is doing is excusing peoples' bad attitudes and enabling their misbehaviour.

I'm not excusing anything. But since you don't seem to be getting the message, here it is in plain text: Bad attitudes are found on both sides. You'd be more aware of that, if you didn't limit yourself to flying for just one.