Fultures!

[Volksieg]

Dunno if this has been said already as I couldn't be bothered to go through all the guff on this thread. (I save that for when it is 2am and I need a good giggle. )

Cheating is finding a way, through nefarious means, to have a bullet proof plane or, perhaps, infinite ammo on a realistic settings server.

Vulching is WAR.

This is a simulation of war.

It is very frustrating being Vulched but, as it is a simulation of a war, I'm fairly sure dying or losing a war and having your country invaded is a bit of an inconvenience also.

[senseispcc]

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Hello,
First I am sorry I begun all this polemic about this tactics of “vultures”.
Personally I am against, not because it is not realistic, because it is not really in the beginning of the war but more at the end when the numbers where staked against one side that could not do anything against the superiority of the other side. It is not the same to have a hit and run raid against a airfield and a “vulture” airplane(s) waiting for a victim to take of or land. The Allies with their offensive tactics did do it sometime until the cost was to expensive due to the “flack” or the defensive patrols above such airfields (expl.ME262/FW190d9).
But this is a game and I see no fun for either the person that sho (not down because the plane taking of is not airborne) at the person that is trying to take off and it is certainly no fun for the person how is shoot at how did warm up his engine, made his circuit around the airfield to align at the end of the runway to be shoot at the precise moment where his rudder wheel is lifting his plane does crash. Otherwise we shall end up with servers with 20 Germans against 1 new RAF pilot how can never take off? Or the other way around! If this is your definition of fun so be it! Have fun your way. I am trying to find the right server, balanced where someone with glasses can see an adversary from time to time at equal terms.
Have a nice time with this great game. Never forget this is a game.

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by senseispcc

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Hello,
First I am sorry I begun all this polemic about this tactics of “vultures”.
Personally I am against, not because it is not realistic, because it is not really in the beginning of the war but more at the end when the numbers where staked against one side that could not do anything against the superiority of the other side. It is not the same to have a hit and run raid against a airfield and a “vulture” airplane(s) waiting for a victim to take of or land. The Allies with their offensive tactics did do it sometime until the cost was to expensive due to the “flack” or the defensive patrols above such airfields (expl.ME262/FW190d9).
But this is a game and I see no fun for either the person that sho (not down because the plane taking of is not airborne) at the person that is trying to take off and it is certainly no fun for the person how is shoot at how did warm up his engine, made his circuit around the airfield to align at the end of the runway to be shoot at the precise moment where his rudder wheel is lifting his plane does crash. Otherwise we shall end up with servers with 20 Germans against 1 new RAF pilot how can never take off? Or the other way around! If this is your definition of fun so be it! Have fun your way. I am trying to find the right server, balanced where someone with glasses can see an adversary from time to time at equal terms.
Have a nice time with this great game. Never forget this is a game.

"Every time I put my hand on THAT workbench, someone smashes it with a hammer!"

Then why don't you put your hand on another workbench?

Reply: "Every time I put my hand on THAT workbench, someone smashes it with a hammer!"

[Volksieg]

Originally Posted by senseispcc

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The Allies with their offensive tactics did do it sometime until the cost was to expensive due to the “flack” or the defensive patrols above such airfields (expl.ME262/FW190d9).

Then there you go... evidence of vulching during WW2

I don't vulch, personally, as I have enough of a problem flying my plane to bother with such tactics. I have been at the receiving end a couple of times, mind.

Why doesn't it bother me?

Originally Posted by senseispcc

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But this is a game.....Never forget this is a game.

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by Volksieg

Vulching is WAR.

This is a simulation of war.

It is very frustrating being Vulched but, as it is a simulation of a war, I'm fairly sure dying or losing a war and having your country invaded is a bit of an inconvenience also.

i dont think anybody is complaining about somebody trying to attack a normally functioning and well defended airfield (as those brittish coastal bases were in that time period), the legitimate complaint is about some online servers being the equivalent of air quake servers tailor made for point whores and then calling themselves "full real"

[ATAG_Doc]

Please gentlemen can we all just get along? It's pointless talking about this it wont change anything. Just get on coms. I never spawned in on a base that is under attack. I just simply ask others for a status its no problem.

[ATAG_Doc]

Originally Posted by zapatista

i dont think anybody is complaining about somebody trying to attack a normally functioning and well defended airfield (as those brittish coastal bases were in that time period), the legitimate complaint is about some online servers being the equivalent of air quake servers tailor made for point whores and then calling themselves "full real"

And you'd have ATAG change it to suit your desires?

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Doc

And you'd have ATAG change it to suit your desires?

since you make a sensible civilized statement that addresses one of the issues under discussion, i'll give you the courtesy of doing the same

there are multiple solutions possible to the vulching issue which is currently totally disproportionate to historical events. as an initial practical step (presuming of course ATAG is trying to SIMULATE historical events), any of those brittish coastal airbases need to have some form of effective defense that prevents the fake current situation where vultures can camp unchallenged over certain airbases perpetually ( as was clearly not the case historically)

if there is currently no working air raid sirens, then the volume of flak and light AA guns going of at an airbase you spawn to will give enough warning (and increase the risk for those trying to attack them)

[SiThSpAwN]

Originally Posted by zapatista

since you make a sensible civilized statement that addresses one of the issues under discussion, i'll give you the courtesy of doing the same

there are multiple solutions possible to the vulching issue which is currently totally disproportionate to historical events. as an initial practical step, any of those brittish coastal airbases need to have some form of effective defense that prevents the fake current situation where vultures can camp unchallenged over certain airbases perpetually ( as was clearly not the case historically)

if there is currently no working air raid sirens, then the volume of flak and light AA guns going of at an airbase you spawn to will give enough warning (and increase the risk for those trying to attack them)

Or you could take off from another airbase... seems to be a number of coastal airfields, I cant believe they are all covered by enemy fighters all the time, in fact I know they arent as I havent been vulched much if at all on ATAG.

[AbortedMan]

Originally Posted by zapatista

since you make a sensible civilized statement that addresses one of the issues under discussion, i'll give you the courtesy of doing the same

there are multiple solutions possible to the vulching issue which is currently totally disproportionate to historical events. as an initial practical step (presuming of course ATAG is trying to SIMULATE historical events), any of those brittish coastal airbases need to have some form of effective defense that prevents the fake current situation where vultures can camp unchallenged over certain airbases perpetually ( as was clearly not the case historically)

if there is currently no working air raid sirens, then the volume of flak and light AA guns going of at an airbase you spawn to will give enough warning (and increase the risk for those trying to attack them)

May I ask you why, specifically, you are against vulching? Is it because you are getting killed too frequently while taking off, or because you are tired of everyone being over the same area for an entire mission while objectives lay incomplete? Or something else entirely?

I'm the latter.