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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 08-04-2012, 05:48 AM
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np, i think people that talk without going around sometimes are more authentic.
but you know the say the world is already a pice of shit to add shit to it i prefer an optimistic attitude , most of the time it gets better results in my experience.

its pure numbers, 1000 guys testing will find out more bugs and faster than 100. so we can all benefit from that, the ones that pay too. imagine more than 3 servers with people!

something like a demo , at least rise of fligth style has no comparrison with the full game. (every time i get on the old albatros or spad i get raped by an uber triplane with 1000 addons)
using my imaginations with cliffs the demo could have only the blenheim and the stuka, or the cr50 and the lowest hurri. you cant say that having only those 2 planes and mp is like the full game, COME ON !
Oh for sure, because of course those 1000 extra people which we already have are going to actually be bothered posting logs for what seems like a really piece of shit flight game that they downloaded for free that comes with 2 incorrectly modelled aircraft and with constant crashes... so gonna happen. What a horrible first impression, why would they ever want to support the game after that? See the amount of people who have left and not bothered with it regardless of how many features, new aircraft or fixes are flowing through. Get real.

Besides, computer programmers seem to be a dime a dozen these days, as we are in a very computer orientated world, the bigger companies have the buying power to hire these people, and not everyone is interested in Flight Simulation. As someone stated before, Aerodynamicists and Speicalised Engineers are quite literally a few in a million, as these courses can take up to 4-8 years to complete, and even then they have to speak Russian and actually want to work in the computer games industry, which isn't a guarantee for their future work.
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Old 08-04-2012, 08:34 AM
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I prefer the old school il-2; pay for theater release, and get all the planes they made for that theater.


it easier.

Me: Hello.

"Yes this is Citibank fraud protection, calling in to verify purchases. Your card was charged 60 times in the last minute, each at $2, to an online merchant called steampowered.

Me: Yeah . . . *thinks, 'dude this type of ish happens ev'ry day.'* It's fine. I was trying to get Korean theater airplanes for this game.






ROF facts



ROF's work in progress is the completed game with the entire plane set.

ROF is one program that windows allows you to delete the Recycling Bin.

All video game sales and marketing models derive from the one used by ROF; even for games outside its genre, like mmorpgs or games that were made before ROF's greatness was achieved, such as World of Warcraft.




Even after some ROF sim pilots died at home from wounds caused World War I era bullets, after getting shot at or shot down in game, both devs and fans said "That's not realistic enough".
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Old 08-04-2012, 09:31 AM
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I am happy that at last someone did say what I know the price of the complete ROF game with all modules, planes, maps and add ins is very high at least five time the price of COD (make the addition please!). And for those how did buy the game when it was first release the prise was the same as the basic COD for the four now free planes. I love ROF but it is not of the same quality of COD but each as his opinion(s). Have all a nice game and do not worry to much !
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Old 08-04-2012, 10:43 AM
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the major downside of a ROF style for COD would be the plane avaibility online.

suppose COD came out like this, you get the gmae for free but only tigermoth is availabe, every other plane is 3 bucks.

i dont know about you, but i would probably just buy a spit IIa and the 109E4. and im pretty sure anyone who want to stay cheap, or just isnt going to invest much time into the game would do the same. ITs what ive done with ROF. I went to the forum and asked "what are the 4 best planes i should buy?" and i bought them.

and then you get online at ATAG, and either ATAG, has spitsIIa and 109E4 for everyone, or people will not play in ATAG.

in ROF i dont think ive ever found any plane limits and the DR1 or the alabtros V seems to be always in the plane list.

Things would get worse with BFM, the planeset will have the i16 the lag and some Russian stuff, and the 109F4. the 109F4 is clearly superior to anything the Russians have.
So people would only buy the the best, meaning lots of people would only have 109F4. teams would get even more unbalanced, without any way of reversing the situation.

thats my issue with COD going ROF.

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Old 08-04-2012, 11:46 AM
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the major downside of a ROF style for COD would be the plane avaibility online.

suppose COD came out like this, you get the gmae for free but only tigermoth is availabe, every other plane is 3 bucks.

i dont know about you, but i would probably just buy a spit IIa and the 109E4. and im pretty sure anyone who want to stay cheap, or just isnt going to invest much time into the game would do the same. ITs what ive done with ROF. I went to the forum and asked "what are the 4 best planes i should buy?" and i bought them.

and then you get online at ATAG, and either ATAG, has spitsIIa and 109E4 for everyone, or people will not play in ATAG.

in ROF i dont think ive ever found any plane limits and the DR1 or the alabtros V seems to be always in the plane list.

Things would get worse with BFM, the planeset will have the i16 the lag and some Russian stuff, and the 109F4. the 109F4 is clearly superior to anything the Russians have.
So people would only buy the the best, meaning lots of people would only have 109F4. teams would get even more unbalanced, without any way of reversing the situation.

thats my issue with COD going ROF.
True.



Also someone mentioned you got 4 aircraft free in RoF, I am pretty sure it was two.
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Old 08-04-2012, 11:59 AM
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Also someone mentioned you got 4 aircraft free in RoF, I am pretty sure it was two.
It was 2 yes
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Old 08-04-2012, 12:45 PM
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Free 2 Play is simply a lie - it's just a freaking DEMO version. Limited content - buy the rest for an upgrade. It is NOT free to play.

It's like saying: you're free to drive my car but you will have to buy the steering weel, shifter, gas, insurance and tires. In fact you might even have to buy the roads to drive upon (map "upgrades") - and if you want to wear a scarf while driving it: BUY it first. Whoa, that's so freaking free 2 drive huh? Some games will make you pay so you can play with friends in a team, others will make you pay for the better planes and vehicles, maps etc. - but in the end it's just a scam to lure you in and pay.

Free 2 Play does not exist. It's a myth, a fable, nonsense. You are always just getting a glimpse of the full content and if you want to play it decently you'll always end up paying much more than by buying a simple "game" because in the end you want to PLAY and thus usually end up with buying almost everything. It's horrible that this human trait of being playful is exploited so badly by some shady companies.


The key question here is not about "free 2 play". It's about content distribution. And personally I hate overprized and clustered content. It just splits the playerbase even INSIDE of the game, even more so for games that actually feature a very diverse set of vehicles etc.

Usually a game goes "free 2 play" when it failed on the market. RoF was one example but there are many others. This is because it allows selling tiny amounts of content for a hefty price. It usually focuses on great looks and ease of use instead of depth and features while keeping the developer team tiny and minimize the staff costs.
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Old 08-05-2012, 02:31 AM
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I'm tired of people who complain about pennies .. quality costs! ..ANd GET A F'JOB!

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