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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 08-04-2012, 02:30 AM
Blackdog_kt Blackdog_kt is offline
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From my point of view, it's a balancing act between the conditions that govern flight sim development: costly software with long development cycles and a high research cost, aimed at a minority of the gamer demographic.

I think there's no clear cut right or wrong. RoF went the "pay for add-ons" route and if it's working and keeping the sim alive it's a good thing. Personally, i don't like that business model and it's not about the money. I just think that the way IL2 did it it's better.

Of course, the extra complexity in the CoD engine means we can't have that many free flyable planes at the same amount of time. Don't get me wrong, if there are extra features i don't mind paying extra. I just don't like paying for it piece by piece for a very simple reason: popular planes are the only ones that get made (or the unpopular ones come much later), plus it fragments the online gameplay community.

I prefer to pay for a complete theater add-on, even if the price is somewhat higher, and get maps, ground units and a good selection of flyable and AI aircraft, instead of buying each plane separately. It's purely for gameplay reasons.
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Old 08-04-2012, 02:43 AM
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Sometimes I just don't understand this forum.

On the one hand we have Rise of Flight, with a free basic game and very cheap additional aircraft, amongst other things. On the other hand we have DCS, now with the free DCS World and very expensive individual aircraft, all of which have bugs.

Loads of people on here say 'Rise of Flight is GREEEAAAT!!!' (me included), and then loads of people say 'DCS is GREEEEAAAT!!! (me included), but then proceed to slag off 1C Maddox Games for releasing a game for a few quid with many more flyables than the free RoF or the free DCS World.

To get as many flyables in the free Rise of Flight as 'Cliffs' had on release would cost as much if not more than Cliffs of Dover did on release. I bought the Iron Cross edition myself, which was pretty much the same price as 'Cliffs', and the planes didn't have anywhere near the cockpit functionality, the damage model, the LOOKS of the game that is 'Cliffs of Dover'.

To buy ONE DCS aircraft costs the same as the whole Cliffs of Dover package did on release in it's entirety. Since then, 1C have added an additional 109 variant, an additional Spit variant, and an additional Hurricane variant all for free. The models had their problems like any other sim, but they're getting modified as are all the aircraft in all of the above flight sims.

1C softclub, as a business, have their own strategy. If it works - fantastic. If it doesn't, someone will buy this and take it forward. It's so gobsmackingly gorgeous I'd do it myself if I had any money or knowledge of the industry.

Just let them get on with it and stop trying to give them 'good advice'. Please.
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Old 08-04-2012, 11:44 AM
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Sometimes I just don't understand this forum.

On the one hand we have Rise of Flight, with a free basic game and very cheap additional aircraft, amongst other things. On the other hand we have DCS, now with the free DCS World and very expensive individual aircraft, all of which have bugs.

Loads of people on here say 'Rise of Flight is GREEEAAAT!!!' (me included), and then loads of people say 'DCS is GREEEEAAAT!!! (me included), but then proceed to slag off 1C Maddox Games for releasing a game for a few quid with many more flyables than the free RoF or the free DCS World.

To get as many flyables in the free Rise of Flight as 'Cliffs' had on release would cost as much if not more than Cliffs of Dover did on release. I bought the Iron Cross edition myself, which was pretty much the same price as 'Cliffs', and the planes didn't have anywhere near the cockpit functionality, the damage model, the LOOKS of the game that is 'Cliffs of Dover'.

To buy ONE DCS aircraft costs the same as the whole Cliffs of Dover package did on release in it's entirety. Since then, 1C have added an additional 109 variant, an additional Spit variant, and an additional Hurricane variant all for free. The models had their problems like any other sim, but they're getting modified as are all the aircraft in all of the above flight sims.

1C softclub, as a business, have their own strategy. If it works - fantastic. If it doesn't, someone will buy this and take it forward. It's so gobsmackingly gorgeous I'd do it myself if I had any money or knowledge of the industry.

Just let them get on with it and stop trying to give them 'good advice'. Please.
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