Friday Official Update, July 27, 2012

[Fenrir]

Originally Posted by adonys

since you play the devil's advocate role, let me take the prosecutor's one, please.. will you?!!

so.. let's see..

1) it isn't B6's fault that he's not good at english (and he really isn't). on the other hand, it's surely MG's fault.. how hard would it be to find out a decent english speaking employee in 2012? I guess, specially when that's a programmer, it's actually harder to try and find one who isn't at least an acceptable english speaker.

most of the game development/programming/WW2 and WW2 aviation documentation are in english.. don't tell me.. they have a translator.. well then, they could have using that translator to translate their forum posts too, you know..

it's like a summer beach hotel hiring a babylonian speaking only receptionist in the middle of the season.. or like shooting yourself in your leg!

this goes for a Darwin award class B

2) i'm 200% sure that's the case.. but yet.. why just not tell us so.. and tell us the shop is closed for another week, until they'll clean up all the bugs and they can open it again.. how sadistic a person one must be to keep the customers in line for a full week, while you're painting your bakery's walls with insecticide?!!

this again goes for a Darwin award, class B

3) and?!! people got ill all the time. people even die, you know? do you think MG will stop selling BoM for a week because one of us died while waiting for it?

also, we have a life too, and I don't like to spend it F5'ing MG's forum.. a minimum respect for my customer's status and time would have been to just put a "go away no patch new until 25th august 2020" 9 words announcement on the forum.. would that have been too much to ask for my 60 £ Collector's Edition IL2CoD?!!

the show must go on, as I'm sure you know it. B6 is ill, we all wish him well, but this doesn't meant there's no one else on this world which could write a few lines in a post on the forum..

for God's sake, even copy/pasting the build's download link would have been enough, we already got used to getting them without any kind of readme whatsoever!

there you go, you wouldn't even have to knew english to do this.

Darwin class D for this one.

3) hmm.. dunno what to say about that.. I would have thought that IL2CoD's launch reception and sales faster than light sale drops should have thought them until now that they really need to pull up their heads from their arses and actually do something to fix the mess they've created it by themselves!

but considering their behavior.. it seems not.. and in this case, a vocal punishing community expressing it's frustration might still wake them up and force them do the right thing, by showing the only dragon they fear: our wallet

Another D in here..

5) what are you trying to say in here.. that if some game on which we paid once was shitty and full of bugs, we must continue to accept and pay for shitty and full of bugs games?!!

aaa.. really?!!

This one's a clear winner for an A Darwin award

6) (I'm sure you meant this last one to actually by 6, and not 5 bis)

are you a programmer? have you ever worked in game development industry? have you ever coded a game for yourself? have you at least read some books about game development?

no?

then.. how can you pretend that IL2CoD's is the most complicated game to code in this part of the Universe?!!

the scenario you actually put in there is actually valid for all games, even for Solitaire.. this really shows your level of expertise in this one.

and just to let you know, IL2CoD it is NOT, and this by far, the most complicated game/software to be developed these days (and if you need arguments fo this, do a search for one of my posts about this).

stop being an ignorant pretending he knows the absolute truth, and start using your head to do the thinking.

And another A Darwin award winner


And in the end, just to make it crystal clear: we all know that development takes time, and nothing can be achieved over night. We're just asking for respect, to be treated like adults and not to be feeded with ridiculous lies even a blind man can see through!

Oh BRAVO....

People of your ilk have long lost the right to be 'treated like adults' as your above post so aptly demonstrates.

Has it ever occured to you that the programming crew might spend so many hours in a day trying to get stuff fixed that they might not relish the idea of coming in here and being haranged by obnoxious flaming little brats of the ilk that you so excellently typify. To know that you frustrations wll be compounded by whiny grabbing ignorants who'll villify you for your efforts because they can't generate enough brain power to look beyond their own selfish little desires?

I'd stay so damn far away it's not funny.

B6 is their spokes person, he was away for one damn day for reasons beyond his control. Sh1t happens, get over it.

And as for programming, No I'm not a programmer, but I've used enough html and flash codes over the years and had friends of mine who are try to explain coding that actually I damn well KNOW it CAN be that complicated. You are the one who sounds like he doesn't have a clue. Unless of course you have a brand new WW2 flight sim of amazing high fidelity flight dyamics, with your own home built game engine waiting in the wings?

No? i didn't think so. Just goes to show there are too many pretentious ignorant pricks around here.

[Rjel]

Originally Posted by Fenrir

Oh BRAVO....
...Just goes to show there are too many pretentious ignorant pricks around here.

On both sides of the argument.

[Hood]

What role does B6 have in developing or compiling the patch? Is it difficult to upload and link the patch and the readme?

Sure B6 does a hard job, but the rest don't seem to back him up. I don't know of many businesses that are reliant on customer goodwill that just don't support each other.

I think I'll be junior counsel for the prosecution.

Hood

[PotNoodles]

Just for the record, I would say most adults want a satisfactory outcome to a product they have purchased. I would also expect most adults to kick up a fuss if they kept getting fobbed off with what looks like the same stuff week in and week out. So lets cut out the "child jibes" shall we if we want to act like adults.

[LOPAN]

Originally Posted by PotNoodles

Just for the record, I would say most adults want a satisfactory outcome to a product they have purchased. I would also expect most adults to kick up a fuss if they kept getting fobbed off with what looks like the same stuff week in and week out. So lets cut out the child jibes shall we.

And to say nothing about that this was priced as an AAA title (US$50).

[MadBlaster]

I wonder if B6 is fibbing about being sick to cover for "unforeseen circumstance". I used to do that sometimes when I didn't want to go to school. "Mom, I don't feel good". It's a pretty good trick. Maybe we should do a poll?

[Force10]

So this is what it's come to eh Blackdog? Be-littling gamers because they wan't a sim to work instead of becoming a developer themselves? I don't know about others, but I work for a living and barely have time to actually play my sims let alone learn C# scripting or start poking around for work arounds.

For the people that have done this....I applaud them for taking the time to try and find workarounds for this mess...but time isn't a luxury all of us have. If 1C was up front and marketed this as a "buy in Beta program" then you might have a better point. Telling us to be good little lemmings and just take it in the shorts for the $50 to $70 isn't gonna fly with everyone. People are frustrated...and have every right to be IMO.

[Freycinet]

Originally Posted by Force10

So this is what it's come to eh Blackdog? Be-littling gamers because they wan't a sim to work instead of becoming a developer themselves? I don't know about others, but I work for a living and barely have time to actually play my sims let alone learn C# scripting or start poking around for work arounds.

For the people that have done this....I applaud them for taking the time to try and find workarounds for this mess...but time isn't a luxury all of us have. If 1C was up front and marketed this as a "buy in Beta program" then you might have a better point. Telling us to be good little lemmings and just take it in the shorts for the $50 to $70 isn't gonna fly with everyone. People are frustrated...and have every right to be IMO.

Thank God that you find time in your busy schedule for your several daily postings here and at SimHateQ!

[klem]

Originally Posted by Force10

So this is what it's come to eh Blackdog? Be-littling gamers because they wan't a sim to work instead of becoming a developer themselves? I don't know about others, but I work for a living and barely have time to actually play my sims let alone learn C# scripting or start poking around for work arounds.

For the people that have done this....I applaud them for taking the time to try and find workarounds for this mess...but time isn't a luxury all of us have. If 1C was up front and marketed this as a "buy in Beta program" then you might have a better point. Telling us to be good little lemmings and just take it in the shorts for the $50 to $70 isn't gonna fly with everyone. People are frustrated...and have every right to be IMO.

I don't think BD is belittling anyone. He is simply taking a pragmatic approach to the situation.

What many people don't want to accept - understandably - is that there appears to be either a serious lack of expertise among the devs or they are facing coding problems that are extremely difficult to overcome or a combination of both.

Well, this is how it is. We bought damaged goods but no amount of complaining is going to make things go faster if either of the above are true and MG certainly aren't going to throw a massive new dev team at this.

Its all very well some people saying "I've been programming or creating games for years" but they don't know the specific problems the devs have so all their expertise may be irrelevant.

Appointing a new project manager won't improve the devs skills or suddenly throw light on the coding solutions.

Bottom line? We're stuffed. Get over it. We may not like it but we have a choice, either stick with it and hope for solutions as soon as possible or ditch it and go away. My patience is wafer thin too but I know I can only wait and hope. Sometimes life is just like that.

[MegOhm]

Originally Posted by LOPAN

And to say nothing about that this was priced as an AAA title (US$50).

Money is spent...most of you that are of age... and that does not appear to be many.... have whizzed away more than $50 on Beer, Cigs and other worthless junk...

Using the cost to make a point .....as a gripe point..... is just ridiculous

I would be willing to send many $50...to just go away