Is the main issue with 1C the lack of communication? Feedback = Consideration for us?

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Icebear

This is so ridiculous! So it's our fault that 1C failed for the last 7 years?

Nope.. read it again and note I was talking about the future of flight sims.. As in the few that are left making flight sims will see this experance (i.e. exchange between the maker and the customers) as a good reason to not make any new flight sims and go for the easy buck and make XBox games..

That is to say there is a point where the flight sims makers love for making flight sims can not overcome the hate they recive from the majority of the customers..

Just human nature

You do something you love to do, but most people don't apreicate what you do, chances are your going to find something else to do.

[Force10]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

As in the few that are left making flight sims will see this experance (i.e. exchange between the maker and the customers) as a good reason to not make any new flight sims

Or...they will use this as a learning experience and realize it's important at release to make sure the sim functions on some level. You would think that's a no-brainer but apparently some are shocked that customers get upset when the product they purchased doesn't really work.

[SiThSpAwN]

Originally Posted by Force10

Or...they will use this as a learning experience and realize it's important at release to make sure the sim functions on some level. You would think that's a no-brainer but apparently some are shocked that customers get upset when the product they purchased doesn't really work.

Unfortunately we wont know if they learned their lessons, that is the ones that should learn from this... the publisher that pushed this sim out as it was... they havent come on their own forums and stated their mistake. At least I havent seen any communication from 1c about all this...

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Force10

Or...they will use this as a learning experience and realize it's important at release to make sure the sim functions on some level. You would think that's a no-brainer but apparently some are shocked that customers get upset when the product they purchased doesn't really work.

The only shocking part is that in this day and age some customers expect there to be no bugs upon release..

Why?

Because in this day and age it is an unrealistic expectation!

The simple truth, that apears to be too simple for some, is that most if not all software is released with bugs!

As a mater of fact, simple truth is putting it nicely, FACT would be a more accurate discription!!

The only thing more shocking than this is you and yours who keep refering to CoD as 'a game that does NOT function at some level' or 'can be NOT be played by anyone'.

The fact that many are playing CoD everyday of the week should give those like you a clue that such statments are false..

But that does not stop you and yours from constantly repeating the lie..

And since we know you and yours are smart enough to realise it is a lie

One can only conclude that you are (a) Not man enough to admit your wrong or (b) Have an adgenda and admiting your wrong would hinder said agenda

[Force10]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

The only shocking part is that in this day and age some customers expect there to be no bugs upon release..

OK....a little miscommunication here. Your confusing "functions on some level" with bug free. I never said bug free....just wanted it to work within 50% of how they promoted it through the years. (IE: Dynamic weather, SU-26, Bailout animations, AI that surpasses 1946, Radio commands, etc. etc. etc.)

[Force10]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

They never promoted any of those features. Those were just things that they were working on.

In any case, thanks for a great example of why a developer should never tell anyone what they are working on.

I guess you never saw the "promotional" DVD they put in 1946 that showed Dynamic weather/clouds in action....animated bailouts too if I recall. Do you ever check your facts before you post David?

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by Force10

I guess you never saw the "promotional" DVD they put in 1946 that showed Dynamic weather/clouds in action....animated bailouts too if I recall. Do you ever check your facts before you post David?

A video of stuff they're working on is still not promoting the game that actually ships. This has been explained many, many times on this forum.

[Force10]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

A video of stuff they're working on is still not promoting the game that actually ships. This has been explained many, many times on this forum.

Hmmm...putting a DVD showcasing all kinds of cool features that won't be in the game. Interesting business strategy...I wonder why all developers don't use the shell game strategy?

[Volksieg]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

They never promoted any of those features. Those were just things that they were working on.

In any case, thanks for a great example of why a developer should never tell anyone what they are working on.

That's not strictly true if one considers trailers and interviews as part of the promotional machine, David. Oleg and Ilya also mentioned that the SU-26 would be featured in an interview with, IIRC, PC Gamer... and interviews are a major part of software promotion. Force10 has already mentioned the promotional DVD that came with 1946 featuring dynamic weather.

Of course... most of that was when it was called "Storm of War" and I suppose one could suggest that the name change means it is a different game entirely.

EDIT: Infact here is an example: http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/02/08/il...ya-shevchenko/

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Force10

OK....a little miscommunication here. Your confusing "functions on some level" with bug free. I never said bug free....just wanted it to work within 50% of how they promoted it through the years. (IE: Dynamic weather, SU-26, Bailout animations, AI that surpasses 1946, Radio commands, etc. etc. etc.)

A little miscommunication?

More like intentional miscommunication IMHO.. But I digress

And after reading your last post I was reminded of another 'other' shocking thing in this day and age

How some customers confuse development progress WIP (what you call promoted) items with a 100% guaranteed it will be included in the final product items

That type of confusion on the part of the customer is IMHO more than enough to explain AND JUSTIFY why 1C hesitates to provide any form of 'news' update in this or any other forum