Curious...Why is this game so hard to get right?

[kendo65]

Warhound
What you describe as the current situation doesn't sound anything like I've read in any 'historical' account of the BoB either.

In fact, if that is the current situation online then it sounds like a total travesty of reality, with people 'gaming' the game.

Fair enough if that's what floats your boat and an understandable (unavoidable even) strategy for the 'competitively minded', online player if the FMs aren't accurate enough to make more reality-based tactics worthwhile.

I suppose my perspective (on combat flight sims) has always been about being able to recreate history as truthfully and accurately as possible, so the above account of what the game is like now doesn't sit well with me. In fact what is the point of finely modelled aircraft systems and detailed cockpits if the aircraft performance is a parody of the real thing?

I know people will say that it is work in progress, and there is truth to that, but it has been WIP for a long time now and progress on this (and many other fronts) is painfully slow. I suppose I've been on the verge of just writing this whole thing off for some time now. There is a point where you need to conclude that what you had looked forward to for so long just isn't going to be realised.

[5./JG27.Farber]

Originally Posted by kendo65

In fact, if that is the current situation online then it sounds like a total travesty of reality, with people 'gaming' the game.

You mean everyones an Ace? There not gaming the game, there flying their aircraft at what it does best. Thats what pilots are supposed to do when their not terrorfied or inexperienced. Thats one of the problems with online flying, nearly everyone is an Ace. Its the pinicle of top fighter vs top fighter.

Can you imagine if people only had 10 hours flight training like some BoB British pilots?

[notafinger!]

In regards to OP I believe this dev team simply has no passion or interest in the Battle of Britain. It shows in the amount of glaring omissions and errors that have continued since day one and continue to go uncorrected despite overwhelming evidence presented by the community. Hopefully, an East front based sequel will be different.

[5./JG27.Farber]

I kind of agree, they dont seem to have research the aircraft included to well.

[Madfish]

*facepalm*

Just unbelievable...

[phoenix1963]

I think if you add Blackdog's excellent post to B6's extraordinarily honest comment:

Originally Posted by BlackSix

We can't find a free programmers with knowledge of aviation in the Russian labor market. This is a very big problem.
Also, we lost a lot of employees from the old team.

... I think you get the answer.

I've worked modelling supersonic flow for nearly 40 years and people who can program well and understand the physics are fairly rare. Remember, Oleg's history: he came out of the military aircraft sector at the end of the Cold War and started il2 (after a porno tetris game - unless I've got that wrong).

Which, despite all our frustrations, is why the moaners will only help destroy ww2 simulation. The market is small, the skills needed are rare, in demand and fairly expensive.

I think, though, that a comment like this earlier from B6 would have earned some sympathy from many here.

56RAF_phoenix

[Al Schlageter]

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

I kind of agree, they dont seem to have research the aircraft included to well.

I don't know about the German a/c but for the British a/c they have reams of documentation supplied by a member on this board.

[ElAurens]

Also remember that the atmospheric modelling in the sim is not set at "standard day" conditions which are what most published performance numbers are corrected to. That in and of itself can skew the numbers generated by all aircraft in the sim.

Also have to remember that no online engagements on ATAG are taking place at 20K ft. plus, where the Spitfire and Bf 109 are more even. Not that I'm an apologist for the Huns, or the dev team, but it is a simple fact that online everything happens well below 15K ft. At these altitudes I'd rather have a properly modeled P40, but that's another story.

Please try to understand that in the current state of affairs, there is no way to simulate anything remotely like the air combat of summer 1940. It's one of the reasons I am looking forward to the sequel, at least on the Russian Front we know that the Russian planes are inferior to the German ones, unlike the BoB, where there was relative parity between the Spit and 109.

[Friendly_flyer]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

there is no way to simulate anything remotely like the air combat of summer 1940. It's one of the reasons I am looking forward to the sequel,

The only way to simulate something similar to the actual BoB would be to force the fighters on the Blue side to burn half of their fuel on boring form-up with bomber formations, and force the red side to concentrate on the bombers and stop wasting time with enemy fighters. If people don't want to fly realistic missions, you won't have realistic missions.

The Eastern front is really better suited scenario for the kind of low level fighter-on-fighter air-Quake style of fighting that dominated the servers in IL2 1946. I look forward to go tank busting in the IL2!

[addman]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

I am looking forward to the sequel, at least on the Russian Front we know that the Russian planes are inferior to the German ones,

Ehrm...sorry ElAurens but I think that there is not a good mindset going in to BoM, I-16 anyone?