Friday Official Update, June 22, 2012

[kristorf]

Originally Posted by Trumper

I can't be bothered to read these threads anymore,i am NOT INTERESTED IN THE RUSSIAN FRONT,i just want the little old BoB.

Amen,

Me thinks thats what the majority would like at this time, the product paid for.
BoM is all pie in the sky at the moment, with a few mediocre screenshots and more promises, nothing else.

[Viking]

Im looking forward to BoM and the patch. Never had much of interest in the BoB scenario.

Viking

[Icebear]

I'm looking forward to the Euro championship final, my summer holidays and the christmas season as these things are closer and much more realistic..

[Manuc]

Great update and fine screenshots. Keep up the good work to make CoD better and better.

[No601_Merlin]

. . . but they are actively banning people that show them up, expecting us to accept this incomplete production, that we paid for a year ago that's still unusable in any way similar the to IL2 that we have loved for years.

I feel cheated and taken advantage of expecting me or anyone else to buy the next instalment.

You lot are clueless when it comes to lifetime customer value.

Best you could do is sell the right to 777 who know to cultivate a regular income stream and continue to develop what has now become an exceptional product 'Rise of Flight'

Ban away, and if anyone disagrees you have got the game you deserve.

[Fjordmonkey]

Originally Posted by No601_Merlin

. . . but they are actively banning people that show them up, expecting us to accept this incomplete production, that we paid for a year ago that's still unusable in any way similar the to IL2 that we have loved for years.

I feel cheated and taken advantage of expecting me or anyone else to buy the next instalment.

You lot are clueless when it comes to lifetime customer value.

Best you could do is sell the right to 777 who know to cultivate a regular income stream and continue to develop what has now become an exceptional product 'Rise of Flight'

Ban away, and if anyone disagrees you have got the game you deserve.

Nobody is getting banned for voicing their opinion, but people ARE getting banned because of HOW they voice their opinion. There's a difference there that few people seem to realize.

If you stay constructive (i.e. don't go balls-out with cursing, insulting the devs/other posters and generally being a tosspot), then you won't get banned. Staying constructive even when giving negative feedback is, it seems, a lost and/or arcane art that few people seem to grasp these days.

[Volksieg]

Originally Posted by Fjordmonkey

Nobody is getting banned for voicing their opinion, but people ARE getting banned because of HOW they voice their opinion. There's a difference there that few people seem to realize.

If you stay constructive (i.e. don't go balls-out with cursing, insulting the devs/other posters and generally being a tosspot), then you won't get banned. Staying constructive even when giving negative feedback is, it seems, a lost and/or arcane art that few people seem to grasp these days.

This is totally true. In many ways I have had an awful lot of fun with CloD but, by the same token, I'm not happy about the state it is in... I'm not happy about CTDs ruining any attempt to play the game as it as, supposedly, meant to be... I'm not happy about a lot of things with CloD or how it has been handled. I've stated this many, many times! Not one infraction. Nada. Nothing. No threat of banning, no "ticking off" from a moderator... niet!

As Fjordmonkey states: Noone gets banned for simply stating their annoyance. It is HOW that annoyance is expressed.

[No601_Merlin]

only governments accept products that do not reasonable satisfy the stated aims a year after purchase. If you sell a product that is known to still need a great deal of development, then its reasonable for people who having given them a whole year to get it right to complain about promoting a new product before the original one is finished.

No amount of cajoling or semi condescending rhetoric will change that Fjordmonkey.

I suspect their funding was cut off by the publishers and they just had to release as it was. Read my previous posts I was happy to give them the benefit of the doubt, you will see I have only just given up hope brought on by them banning a squad member for voicing a very similar reply.

[Fjordmonkey]

Originally Posted by No601_Merlin

only governments accept products that do not reasonable satisfy the stated aims a year after purchase. If you sell a product that is known to still need a great deal of development, then its reasonable for people who having given them a whole year to get it right to complain about promoting a new product before the original one is finished.

Reasonable, yes. But at the same coin, it's also reasonable to expect people to express their displeasure with the product in a manner befitting some semblance of adultness, i.e. not with some of the temper-tantrums people have been throwing around here. As others have stated, I'm also not happy about the product in it's current state. But that doesn't mean that I'll go out of my way to behave like a 4-year old denied of sweets.

Originally Posted by No601_Merlin

No amount of cajoling or semi condescending rhetoric will change that Fjordmonkey.

If you think my responses cajoling or semi-condescending, Merlin, that's up to you. You're free to interpret my responses as you see fit, but that doesn't change the fact that people seem unable to not behave like children denied of sweets just because a software-product isn't up to the standard they'd like it to be.

Originally Posted by No601_Merlin

I suspect their funding was cut off by the publishers and they just had to release as it was. Read my previous posts I was happy to give them the benefit of the doubt, you will see I have only just given up hope brought on by them banning a squad member for voicing a very similar reply.

Again, your squad-member was most likely banned because of HOW he let his displeasure be know, not because he did so. There's a subtle difference there, and it seems that as soon as people get on the 'net, they forget or overlook that.

[pstyle]

Originally Posted by No601_Merlin

only governments accept products that do not reasonable satisfy the stated aims a year after purchase. If you sell a product that is known to still need a great deal of development, then its reasonable for people who having given them a whole year to get it right to complain about promoting a new product before the original one is finished.
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This has been brought up before..... but, here goes again;

I wonder, has anyone actually tested whether or not the product meets the description, by trying to get a return? Most countries (at least in the EU) have consumer law that protects consumer against faulty product. As yet I'm not aware of anyone actually reporting a successful return of CloD. Is this because;
1. No-one really thinks it is faulty enough to succeed in a return,
2. People are actually happy to sit and wait for what they believe will be eventual fixes to the game
3. People are playing it happily enough in spite of the reported issues

I suspect (2) is the main reason. Folks do believe the messages from 1C/ MG, and are holding on for the fixes. How long will they wait before using their legal protections and requesting refund? Will they likely succeed if they ask for refund?