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Old 06-18-2012, 01:38 PM
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How many snipers got hits over 2000 yards? Five? Ten? How much did it cost to train thousands of snipers to get those five guys that hit something at 2000 yards? How many of your guys could die until someone hits that target at 2000 yards? This is the problem. The 2000 yards hits are flukes. The vast majority of people and guns can't do that. If you can guide that bullet to hit the point you designate, and compensate for all the variables involved to get such a hit, after the bullet left the barrel, I'd say that's awesome.
All of the above is true (especially the awesome part), however, considering the complexity of the system and the frequency of the need, is it reasonable?

My personal sniff test says it's not.

The weapon is 100% useless without laser designation which puts the sniper team out of action if there is an electronics failure. That also means it requires a 2 man crew. Granted most sniper teams operate as a 2 man team, but, the shooter often makes independent shots, especially when supporting infantry (as opposed to high value target extermination). This is not possible with this system which would limit it's use to high value target extermination.

Which brings up the need. Does it happen often enough to develop, test, train, maintain and supply everything required for the system? Once again, I think not.

It's a really cool system, but, I don't think it will prove cost effective enough for military use.

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Old 06-18-2012, 02:00 PM
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The weapon is 100% useless without laser designation

I doubt it - probably would work like an IWS 2000 back in the day: In "limp mode".
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Old 06-18-2012, 06:27 PM
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Which brings up the need. Does it happen often enough to develop, test, train, maintain and supply everything required for the system? Once again, I think not.

It's a really cool system, but, I don't think it will prove cost effective enough for military use.

Just my thoughts.

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What are you, some sort of commie? Don't you realise you've just undermined the whole US defence industry? Good heavens! Anymore of this kinda talk and people will start speculating about what they could spend all this $$$ on instead. Or even, horror of horrors, not spend it at all!!!
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Old 06-18-2012, 10:39 PM
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What are you, some sort of commie? Don't you realise you've just undermined the whole US defence industry? Good heavens! Anymore of this kinda talk and people will start speculating about what they could spend all this $$$ on instead. Or even, horror of horrors, not spend it at all!!!
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Old 06-19-2012, 12:02 AM
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The demand is obvious.

New recruits to the military have extensive experience on XBOX FPS games many of which deliberately have no significant ballistics effects such as windage or drop as the marketing whiz kids beleive "easier" means more market penetration. In many XBOX games an assault rifle shoots just like a laser.

This system lets new recruits shoot real weapons the same way they have grown used to on the XBOX.
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Old 06-19-2012, 01:09 AM
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What are you, some sort of commie? Don't you realise you've just undermined the whole US defence industry? Good heavens! Anymore of this kinda talk and people will start speculating about what they could spend all this $$$ on instead. Or even, horror of horrors, not spend it at all!!!
Are you completely insane? Nowhere did I say not spend the money, just not to spend it on that useless weapon system. There are plenty of systems with way more killing power and, thus, way more deserving of our money. Besides, the coolest part of sniping is earning the kill. I know a sniper and trust me, it's what they live for. Sure they occasionally like to be dropped on a roof top just as a mob of insurgents gets inside of 50 yards. I mean, who wouldn't like them easy pickins once in a while but the real thrill is crawling through insect infested jungle for 3 days to make a 1200 yard head shot and slip away in the target's vehicle (driven by his chauffeur no less)!

Personally, I think we should be researching some form of venomous snake delivery system. And not something quick like a King Cobra. I'm talking about Gibbon Vipers or something nasty like that.

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Old 06-19-2012, 08:49 AM
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Gibbon Vipers
PMSL!!!



Or did you mean a Gaboon viper?
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Old 06-19-2012, 09:56 AM
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Or did you mean a Gaboon viper?
Gibon obviously you fool! Just like the one in your picture
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Old 06-19-2012, 11:37 AM
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Or did you mean a Gaboon viper?
My head hangs in shame.

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Old 06-19-2012, 11:53 AM
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My head hangs in shame.

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It's ok, I just thought gibbon viper was funny, in my random googling for the pic I found this nasty thing....

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