Man Made Global Warming

[MD_Titus]

Originally Posted by MadBlaster

A lefty troll seeking revenge.

more evidence for moderator below:

MD_Titus said,

"andy got trolled hard in this thread, mostly with the lefty stick but also by the climate change denial schtick and, in honesty, lost it. but he wasn't the only one throwing insults around. to say that "I thought the left were the moderate ones willing to listen to all points of view" is somewhat insulting really, and forgets the left's long love of simply lining up it's enemies and shooting/decapitating/deporting them. we can be just as savage, brutal and blunt as the right, we're all people after all. but that comment also carries the implication that the right don't have to be reasonable and listen to all points of view, which to be fair is usually borne out by observation."

Notice the preoccupation of left verses right. Nothing about climate change, per say. I guess andy getting banned kind of tweaked him? So the follow up...the circular arguments, the mis-directions, the non sequiturs, the repeated attempts to make the thread about me. Really, pretty obvious. I guess his emotions got the best of him. Anyhoo, I didn't report him. I also gave him chances to cease and desist. But a frustrated troll, what can you do? I leave it up to the moderators to evaluate. I don't want the thread deleted. I stand by my arguments. The thread is pretty good one imo. His stuff, acceptable but misguided until it went personal attack to try deflect the validity of my arguments.

Ok, i'm done for now.

it's "per se"

and not in the slightest, i'm simply calling you on your own trolling. in talking to you, how else am i to address you? wizard? mad? mb?

as to the climate change, it was discussed, along with your view that atheists should kill themselves, the general political climate and the seeming preoccupation with climate change being a leftist conspiracy. all relevant, all on topic, as wide as the topic has become.

i see all of this as another attempt to "win" an argument by avoiding the topics being discussed or serious questions asked, and instead resorting to baiting in the rather forlorn hope that i'll go off the deep end at you.

Originally Posted by jimson8

I see.

Nothing really works in a recession, but our system for years has beat the hell out of any others. Even our poor aren't poor by world standards. Not ready to throw it out because of this recession.

guess so, but it has the potential to become more than simply a recession. the situation in spain and italy could be as grave, if not worse, than greece or ireland. it's starting to look unprecedented. not sure how it compares to 1929 but the repercussions of that are well known.

[Bewolf]

Well, all I will add here...Germany has accepted climate change as a fact and is living up to the challenge.

As a side effect hundret thousands of new jobs have been created and a whole new technolgy field got established. Lots of money to be made here.

So, US, please stick to what you think. We have enough competition from China already in this new field.

[MD_Titus]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Well, all I will add here...Germany has accepted climate change as a fact and is living up to the challenge.

As a side effect hundret thousands of new jobs have been created and a whole new technolgy field got established. Lots of money to be made here.

So, US, please stick to what you think. We have enough competition from China already in this new field.

well quite. stimulating a stagnant manufacturing sector in times of recession? the horror, the horror.

[Wolf_Rider]

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[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by MD_Titus

well quite. stimulating a stagnant manufacturing sector in times of recession? the horror, the horror.

Will only work out well, if government subsidy's are not required to keep them afloat.

[MD_Titus]

Originally Posted by SlipBall

Will only work out well, if government subsidy's are not required to keep them afloat.

true, but given the current climate (no pun intended) private investment is probably thin on the ground, government subsidy to kick start it is all there is. give it 5-10 years and we'll see if it's a go-er or just another waste of public funds.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by MD_Titus

true, but given the current climate (no pun intended) private investment is probably thin on the ground, government subsidy to kick start it is all there is. give it 5-10 years and we'll see if it's a go-er or just another waste of public funds.

It is a new technology. It will take more like 20 years to really establish it. Basically a whole generation. But 80 percent of the population here is willing to pay higher energy bills if it leads to

a) energy independence (no more pesky wars abroad. Anybody calculated those costs into the energy bill?)
b) CO2 reduction
c) lower costs in the long run. And let's face it, gas, oil, uranium are all not going to become any cheaper ever again.

And let's not forget the rule of mass. The more something is produced, the cheaper it becomes. There also still is huge development pontential in all alternative technologies. If you compare it to car or aircraft technology, we are in 1914.

Big part also is making housing more energy efficient. Massive costs now, but given building in Europe tend to stand a couple hundret years, in some cases millenia, it will pay off. But people here are not thinking in today and tomorrow anyways, but 20/50/100 years into the future.

[MD_Titus]

eminently sensible.

it'll never catch on.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Big part also is making housing more energy efficient. Massive costs now, but given building in Europe tend to stand a couple hundret years, in some cases millenia, it will pay off. But people here are not thinking in today and tomorrow anyways, but 20/50/100 years into the future.

1st
Like "minergie", right.
The isolation material uses soo much so grey energy you 'll never be able to make that up for(based on ~20cm and 100years lifetime).
This is a dead end.

2nd
In a Millennium(-nia is plural, btw)?!
What are you talking about? The storage facilities? Do you really think the Norwegians like the idea of having the better part of their country flooded?
What about he impact on the eco-system?

And let's face it, gas, oil, uranium are all not going to become any cheaper ever again.

Tue.
Thats why we need to make the fusion work. If we cant, we're f'ed - guaranteed.

As a side effect hundret thousands of new jobs have been created and a whole new technolgy field got established. Lots of money to be made here.

Tue again. Only it's Chinese who create and make all that money. You should check the numbers of 2012.
The companies in Germany are struggling and most likely wont make it.