Man Made Global Warming

[MD_Titus]

Originally Posted by jimson8

Ok I'll put it another way, when has marxism ever not led to tyranny and mass murder?

Yeah, I think it's worth giving up on.

again though, that's not marxism in it's true form - it's perverted and used to give the same old style of inequality a nice bit of window dressing. basically, like religion, it's a nice ideology until the people in charge start to use it for their own ends.

when has an unfettered free market economy not led to a collapse of financial institutions which has severely impacted the lower tiers of society? when has it led to a level of economic equality that doesn't see large numbers disenfranchised, disillusioned and destitute? how far are you from a financial calamity - 6 months sick with something that renders you unable to work and isn't covered by health insurance? a natural disaster? a downturn in the market for your products?

[jimson8]

Originally Posted by MD_Titus

again though, that's not marxism in it's true form - it's perverted and used to give the same old style of inequality a nice bit of window dressing. basically, like religion, it's a nice ideology until the people in charge start to use it for their own ends.

when has an unfettered free market economy not led to a collapse of financial institutions which has severely impacted the lower tiers of society? when has it led to a level of economic equality that doesn't see large numbers disenfranchised, disillusioned and destitute? how far are you from a financial calamity - 6 months sick with something that renders you unable to work and isn't covered by health insurance? a natural disaster? a downturn in the market for your products?

So do you advocate marxism or not?

[MD_Titus]

Originally Posted by jimson8

So do you advocate marxism or not?

under ideal conditions yes. but considering those ideal conditions require a completely different mindset and a huge shift in motivational factors for the entire human race - it's not going to happen.

so no.

but there has to be an alternative to the current system, because it sure ain't working.

[ATAG_Doc]

Hasn't communism been the predominate system in place for much of the past 100 years in eastern Europe until it's collapse in the 90's?

Wasn't there a wall that ran though Berlin that separated one ideology from the other?

Does anyone have any statistics of the number of people that escaped from West Germany into East Germany where life was good?

Please help me find this information I need it for my dissertation please. I will credit you for it.

Thank you in advance.

I love you

XOXO

Oh and if you could provide me the number persons that were shot in the head or back while they were being traitorous by escaping from the west to the free east that would be helpful to.

[SlipBall]

Well the North Koreans love not having an electric bill to pay each month.

[jimson8]

Originally Posted by MD_Titus

under ideal conditions yes. but considering those ideal conditions require a completely different mindset and a huge shift in motivational factors for the entire human race - it's not going to happen.

so no.

but there has to be an alternative to the current system, because it sure ain't working.

I see.

Nothing really works in a recession, but our system for years has beat the hell out of any others. Even our poor aren't poor by world standards. Not ready to throw it out because of this recession.

[MD_Titus]

Originally Posted by MadBlaster

A lefty troll seeking revenge.

more evidence for moderator below:

MD_Titus said,

"andy got trolled hard in this thread, mostly with the lefty stick but also by the climate change denial schtick and, in honesty, lost it. but he wasn't the only one throwing insults around. to say that "I thought the left were the moderate ones willing to listen to all points of view" is somewhat insulting really, and forgets the left's long love of simply lining up it's enemies and shooting/decapitating/deporting them. we can be just as savage, brutal and blunt as the right, we're all people after all. but that comment also carries the implication that the right don't have to be reasonable and listen to all points of view, which to be fair is usually borne out by observation."

Notice the preoccupation of left verses right. Nothing about climate change, per say. I guess andy getting banned kind of tweaked him? So the follow up...the circular arguments, the mis-directions, the non sequiturs, the repeated attempts to make the thread about me. Really, pretty obvious. I guess his emotions got the best of him. Anyhoo, I didn't report him. I also gave him chances to cease and desist. But a frustrated troll, what can you do? I leave it up to the moderators to evaluate. I don't want the thread deleted. I stand by my arguments. The thread is pretty good one imo. His stuff, acceptable but misguided until it went personal attack to try deflect the validity of my arguments.

Ok, i'm done for now.

it's "per se"

and not in the slightest, i'm simply calling you on your own trolling. in talking to you, how else am i to address you? wizard? mad? mb?

as to the climate change, it was discussed, along with your view that atheists should kill themselves, the general political climate and the seeming preoccupation with climate change being a leftist conspiracy. all relevant, all on topic, as wide as the topic has become.

i see all of this as another attempt to "win" an argument by avoiding the topics being discussed or serious questions asked, and instead resorting to baiting in the rather forlorn hope that i'll go off the deep end at you.

Originally Posted by jimson8

I see.

Nothing really works in a recession, but our system for years has beat the hell out of any others. Even our poor aren't poor by world standards. Not ready to throw it out because of this recession.

guess so, but it has the potential to become more than simply a recession. the situation in spain and italy could be as grave, if not worse, than greece or ireland. it's starting to look unprecedented. not sure how it compares to 1929 but the repercussions of that are well known.

[Bewolf]

Well, all I will add here...Germany has accepted climate change as a fact and is living up to the challenge.

As a side effect hundret thousands of new jobs have been created and a whole new technolgy field got established. Lots of money to be made here.

So, US, please stick to what you think. We have enough competition from China already in this new field.

[MD_Titus]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Well, all I will add here...Germany has accepted climate change as a fact and is living up to the challenge.

As a side effect hundret thousands of new jobs have been created and a whole new technolgy field got established. Lots of money to be made here.

So, US, please stick to what you think. We have enough competition from China already in this new field.

well quite. stimulating a stagnant manufacturing sector in times of recession? the horror, the horror.