Man Made Global Warming

[MD_Titus]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Doc

It's going to do what it do. And there isn't anything man can do to slow it down even a millisecond.

preeeeetty much

like i say, makes us feel better to do something. like the band playing on sort of thing.

Originally Posted by MadBlaster

1) “is there an atheist organisation that asks for a tithe in return for a promise of...well, anything?”
There are all kinds of scams. Apparently, money for false promise is on your “A” list. What does that say about you? I take your view as no faith in the ordinary man because he is a sucker for organized religion. Maybe the scam of the so called “atheist organization” is to close your mind to order and open your mind to chaos and destruction? Gee, I wonder why they would want to do that?

i made no such comment about "false promises". tithes taken by the church go to good causes, if for nothing else than to maintain the fabric of often ancient buildings and often for charitable activities. the promise of something is implicit and goes back to the time of selling graces, but i make no assertion that is a false promise. i may not believe in it, but that makes it no less real to some people.

to say that atheists have "closed their minds to order and opened them to chaos and destruction" is kind of wonderful. do you believe in other gods, or just yours?

Originally Posted by MadBlaster

2) “the core of atheism, as i see it, is that the notions of good and evil lie entirely in the physical realm and control of man, not in any abstract entity such as god or the devil.”
I would say god and devil are analogous to good and evil. You’ve heard the term “methphor”. I would say none of these lie in the control of man. For example, a free man makes a choice. He may percieve it to be good choice, while another man observing may percieve it to be a bad choice. This is how wars start. If one man kills the other man because of his choice, the man that lives gets to decide who is “right”. You know the cliches, “only the strong survive” as “evolution in a nutshell”. The inate ability to pass judgment on another is part of evolution of the species. So, your definition of aithest can not be correct. Man can not control good and evil. They must be in conflict in order for man to evolve. The question I have, why is the ability to pass judgement inate? How did that get in the jar? Do you see it in the DNA molecule? I don’t think so. It seems to exist in the non-physical realm. It seems to be an ability developed and changing over a life cycle.

what
so the guy who commits evil can declare himself to be right.... and he is? what?

the non-physical realm has nothing to do with human consciousness, mainly because *ta-da* human consciousness is a function of the physical brain. learn to neurobiology. next you'll be trotting out descartes and his attempts to prove the existence of god. as to judgement, it's one of those innate qualities that makes us human, that we develop through experience and what we learn of the world and it's inhabitants. of course it changes over a life cycle. if nothing was learned then we'd still be whacking the crap out of each other with the jaws of sheep.

oh and they aren't cliches, but strength can either be physical or mental. we prevailed over the neanderthal, according to theory, because we were smarter not bigger.

Originally Posted by MadBlaster

3) “don't try and make out that being god-less means you have no grasp of ethics”
Again, how did your atheist acquire ethics? What is the context? He must have first developed an ability somehow to abstract/conceptualize the notions of good and evil in order to become ethical?

no, not necessary at all. i set fire to your house. you don't like it. would i like it if it's done to me? no, then it's bad. if this same process applies or can be said to apply to each reasonable person (ie not sadists, masochists, the unhinged) then it applies as either good or bad. i'm putting this in very simplified terms because... well frankly there's a 5,000 word essay on this, easy.

Originally Posted by MadBlaster

Jmho, I think your definition of atheist needs some work. I stand by my veiw that there is no such thing as a real atheist. It’s a sales pitch to a scam. See atheist -> karlmarx -> communist manifesto -> steal everything.

well it was a definition pitched at a certain level, and intended as a mini-definition to save time, typing and refinement. it's no sales pitch though, it's not selling anything.

if you consider wealth redistribution and societal equality to be "steal everything" then you massively misunderstand the ideals of marxism, to such an extent that you should either read up on it or cease commenting on it. you simply cannot steal what you own part of. that communism failed in all it's incarnations is mostly due to human nature, apparently we can't really act in a truly altruistic way for ever, require carrots to put in the best effort with our talents and generally foul things up through greed and avarice. but then that apparently applies in all political systems.


i would suggest that your invitation to atheists to kill themselves actually constitutes a hate crime though. if i told all christians/muslims/jews/hindus/worshippers of his noodly-appendagedness to kill themselves i would expect criminal sanctions to follow shortly after.