Man Made Global Warming

[AndyJWest]

I have no interest in debating the issue with you. The overwhelming scientific consensus is that anthropogenic climate change is real, significant, and likely to have considerable negative consequences. This has nothing whatsoever to do with my politics, or anyone else's. If you want to believe that it is all a Marxist plot, fine, that is your right. You do not however have the right to hijack a forum to push your crackpot conspiracy theories, and then engage in ad-hominem attacks on those who point out the reality of the situation. Take your propaganda elsewhere.

[Walshy]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

I have no interest in debating the issue with you. The overwhelming scientific consensus is that anthropogenic climate change is real, significant, and likely to have considerable negative consequences. This has nothing whatsoever to do with my politics, or anyone else's. If you want to believe that it is all a Marxist plot, fine, that is your right. You do not however have the right to hijack a forum to push your crackpot conspiracy theories, and then engage in ad-hominem attacks on those who point out the reality of the situation. Take your propaganda elsewhere.

Sorry Andy have to pull you up there on that as there is NO overwhelming consensus, there are people who have stated quite vociferously that the science of global warming climate change is warped to promote the theory ............

Freeman Dyson speaks out against climate change

and

Renowned physicist speaks out about climate modelling

And that's also not taking into account of the huge carbon sinks at the bottom of the world's oceans, the phyto-plankton that lives in the top layer of the world's oceans (which aborbs more carbon the all the world's forests and plants) and the rest of the carbon sinks ................ The past archeological and fossil record HAS shown that the more carbon in the atmosphere that colder it gets, the evidence is there in the studies of ancient Irish bog oak tree rings, ice core samples from the Greenland ice shelf and mud core samples from the world's oceans ............... We are experiencing a bounce back from the "Mini-Ice Age" (which officially ended at the beginning of the indrustrial revolution which it co-incided with). One of the biggest factors that still isn't addressed by climate change scientists is that the Sun, our local star, is probably the most critical contributing factor to our climate, meaning the change in it's solar output over the course of the lifetime of our planet. That is also there in the fossil record as well.

[MadBlaster]

there will be no justice in the world until al gore is locked up and throw away the key. that is all i have to say about this.

[AndyJWest]

Originally Posted by MadBlaster

there will be no justice in the world until al gore is locked up and throw away the key. that is all i have to say about this.

Do you want Margaret Thatcher locked up too? Actually, that seems like a fair deal...

[AndyJWest]

Walshy, look up the word 'overwhelming' in a dictionary.

In any case, Freeman Dyson has made it perfectly clear that he doesn't consider himself in any way an expert in the field of climatology - he is a theoretical physicist and mathematician. And he does not deny that anthropogenic climate change is happening, anyway - he disputes that its effects are likely to be as harmful as predictions suggest: http://e360.yale.edu/content/feature.msp?id=2151

[Walshy]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Walshy, look up the word 'overwhelming' in a dictionary.

In any case, Freeman Dyson has made it perfectly clear that he doesn't consider himself in any way an expert in the field of climatology - he is a theoretical physicist and mathematician. And he does not deny that anthropogenic climate change is happening, anyway - he disputes that its effects are likely to be as harmful as predictions suggest: http://e360.yale.edu/content/feature.msp?id=2151

In any case Andy anthropogenic climate change is a small factor to the overall climate change that happens all the time on this planet ........... there are other bigger factors that climate change experts flattly don't factor in, and don't factor in the carbon sinks at all ..................

[AndyJWest]

Originally Posted by Walshy

In any case Andy anthropogenic climate change is a small factor to the overall climate change that happens all the time on this planet ........... there are other bigger factors that climate change experts flattly don't factor in, and don't factor in the carbon sinks at all ..................

Please provide a source that asserts this.

[David Hayward]

It's funny watching people on the internet saying that we should ignore scientists.

[AndyJWest]

It's funny watching people on the internet saying that we should ignore scientists.

I thought the internet was part of Al Gore's conspiracy to convert the world to socialism too.

[WTE_Galway]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

It's funny watching people on the internet saying that we should ignore scientists.

Climate Change sceptics either a) actually know better and have a personal agenda or are pushing a political band wagon or b) are really stupid and/or misinformed.

Either way there is no point arguing with them and you unfortunately are not allowed to shoot them.

Not one "expert" quoted by climate sceptics and accoladed in the press has qualifications in climate science. They have a mish mash of degrees across a range of unrelated disciplines but not one relevant to the debate. Interestingly one of the foremost "experts" on the sceptic side is also one of the key figures pushing the theory that President Obama was born in Africa rather than the US (and presumably therefore secretly Muslim).

The genuine debate amongst those people that actually know their stuff is whether the consequences of man made climate change are as dire as many models predict, some experts believe the earth can cope with pollution better than we give it credit for.