Friday, May 25, 2012. Report 3

[GOA_Potenz]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Well the good news is game makers are use to dealing with child like views of the world

So chances are comments like yours are tossed to the bin without much thought..

My only concern is some of the moderate people here who might actually put some merit into such silly statements..

Because the flight sim market is a small one and the more moderates we loose to the silly side means less future sales which can hurt the flight sim maker, which in turn hurts flight sim users like me.

The simple truth that your sort forgets is that you would be hard pressed to find any game released that is bug free.. And your sort also wants to play both sides of the fence and say such silly things as '1C just put it out to take the money and run'.. Yet.. 1C is STILL here working on it.. How some fall for that sort of sillyness is beyond me, my guess is it goes back to the child like view of the world.

But I digress..

Now, for the moderates out there, to put this into perspective, take a look at RoF.. In that it went through a similar process.. Day one it had bugs that were fixed over time, but it took them well over a year to get it to the game it is today. Just keep that in mind the next time one of these whinny types trys to tell you that 1C took the $ and ran with it.. Even though 1C is still here working on it and put a patch out just a couple of weeks ago.

Your problem is that you blindly support this mess (i got a ban for saying that) and that hurts more than nothing the development of a sim, i did several mods for il-2 hardcore java file editing, i know how is to work with code, and when we release something and had bugs we didn't say the same thing for six + months, we accepted and go honestly to the users, and even make it work with tousands of franken installs.

RoF took 6+ months to be working correctly as i bought since day one, it was a mess when it was owned by neoqb with the russian way of comunication same as 1C. since 777 studios came into play things change for good and RoF improved comunications and development, seems in russia have another sense of costumer support.

but in the end people like you are the most that hurt this game always compliments and no complains a development team doesn't need roses all the time and more if paid for something that claim to be a finished product, when even the devs said at the first videos where we could see something wrong that it was due to lack of ram in the PC's running the game.

[Frequent_Flyer]

When purchasing a product, typically if you are not satified you can return it for a refund . When you are satisfied with a product you reward the provider with continued business. There is no competator to COD, you are stuck with what you have. I would say it is a reasonable assumption, the dev are working at fixing COD.The results speak for themselves no matter how they try to spin it. Why folks choose to thank and encourage the lack of progress, is as mystifing as the folks who complain about the lack of progress/results. There is no money in this type of sim necessary to induce healthy competition. Without viable competition, the fevered pitch from both sides of the isle is just beating the same dead horse.

[Rjel]

Originally Posted by Frequent_Flyer

Without viable competition, the fevered pitch from both sides of the isle is just beating the same dead horse.

That's no joke. Week after week, with every update, the same posts by the same posters. Usually using the exact same arguments. Some here are so ardent in their support they should be on the payroll of 1C. On the other side, those of a negative opinion carry on with equal passion. You can almost imagine them throwing things and stomping their feet in anger.

Ace of Aces mentioned those who are in the middle. I like to think I fit in there someplace. As a moderate, again can we ask, that these update threads be locked? Very few of you are as persuasive as you think you are in presenting your arguments.

[Frequent_Flyer]

Originally Posted by Rjel

That's no joke. Week after week, with every update, the same posts by the same posters. Usually using the exact same arguments. Some here are so ardent in their support they should be on the payroll of 1C. On the other side, those of a negative opinion carry on with equal passion. You can almost imagine them throwing things and stomping their feet in anger.

Ace of Aces mentioned those who are in the middle. I like to think I fit in there someplace. As a moderate, again can we ask, that these update threads be locked? Very few of you are as persuasive as you think you are in presenting your arguments.

I agree, its the " usual suspects " from both extremes that make a two paragraph update into 20 pages of thank you , followed by 20 pages of ranting.

Have one locked thread continously updated.

yep, well said about the above. ! my sentiments exactly. thankfully there is competition though, and for that i need come here no more.but a little pop in is eesential, after all i did buy this nonsense.... but just wanted to say yes you are correct.

its like not like anyone else will confirm it around here for fear of misaligning their point of view against another or for fear of going against the grain in general.

all i see here is "herd" mentallity.

by rights you should all be shouting there doors down.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by GOA_Potenz

Your problem is that you blindly support this mess

Not true at all.. I just have a more realistic understanding (read non child like view) and therefore a more realistic expectation than you.

As I pointed out, you and your 'types' expect perfection out of the box..

Yet you would be hard pressed to find any game software that has no bugs

Originally Posted by GOA_Potenz

(i got a ban for saying that)and that hurts more than nothing the development of a sim

Rest assured you did NOT get banned for saying 'that'..

But I am surprised that you have not been banned for calling the devs liars

Originally Posted by GOA_Potenz

i did several mods for il-2 hardcore java file editing, i know how is to work with code,

So have I..

I have updated several versions of SJack's zINFOMOD to work with HSFX..

And from those data files I wrote the C# code to make a web-based version of IL-2Compare that you can see here

www.flightsimtesting.com

And not only that..

I actully get paid for writing software at work..

So I know a thing or two about software development, and bugs, and how things can come up that cause delays

Originally Posted by GOA_Potenz

and when we release something and had bugs we didn't say the same thing for six + months, we accepted and go honestly to the users, and even make it work with tousands of franken installs.

And there is where you show your software ignorance.. In that it is much easier to 'tweak' and existing Java file than it is to write a game from scratch..

And when I say from scratch I mean taking a chance and looking to the future and writing a game from scratch that makes use of the cutting edge gaming aspects.. Like taking on the DX11 API instead of playing it safe and writing a DX9 game.

Originally Posted by GOA_Potenz

RoF took 6+ months to be working correctly as i bought since day one,

I bought it day one also, and it took them longer than that to fix everything.. And even longer to put in some of the features they have now.. A perfect example being the ability to see planes at a distance, something that made the game unplayable for me (my standards) the way planes use to suddenly appear and disappear at a certain distance.

Originally Posted by GOA_Potenz

it was a mess when it was owned by neoqb with the russian way of comunication same as 1C. since 777 studios came into play things change for good and RoF improved communications and development, seems in russia have another sense of costumer support.

Well maybe RoF communications with their customers is better because they don't have guys like you posting in their forums and calling them liars each time they post and update..

Just a thought!

Originally Posted by GOA_Potenz

but in the end people like you are the most that hurt this game always compliments and no complains a development team doesn't need roses all the time and more if paid for something that claim to be a finished product, when even the devs said at the first videos where we could see something wrong that it was due to lack of ram in the PC's running the game.

Again.. Your showing your ignorance..

I have had plenty of negative things to say about CoD..

What separates me from you is I don't have a hissy fit when something gets delayed such that I feel the need to call them liars..

I guess that is just something you eventually learn living and working in the real adult world..

You mileage may and clearly does vary

[Force10]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

As I pointed out, you and your 'types' expect FUNCTIONING out of the box..

There...I fixed that for ya

[addman]

Originally Posted by Force10

There...I fixed that for ya

HEY! I was gonna do that!

[Insuber]

Later we attacked Wellingtons, three Bf-110 against 5 heavies; it was like watching a movie, with the smoke trails of cannon shells twirling around, and smoke and flames bursting from wounded bombers. Again, wonderful show. The game ran fluid without an issue.

This sim is already a jewel, and in future it can be a milestone of the genre. Stop bashing it, please.

[5./JG27.Farber]

Originally Posted by Insuber

This sim is already a jewel, and in future it can be a milestone of the genre. Stop bashing it, please.

+1, Im a massive fan of the game and can see the potential but othertimes I just can't take it anymore and it makes my heart bleed and I blow up!