Throwing some light on rates of turn

[pstyle]

Originally Posted by drewpee

I felt sorry for the 109 pilots as all you have to do when he gets you in range is turn and he just can't. If he slows to match your turn he is as good as dead. Either he'll stall to the ground or you'll out turn him in just 1 turn and be on his 6.
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This is exactly my thoughts since the patch... Until this encounter on the weekend. I was looking over my shoulder thinking, there is no way he should be able to stay with me. Yet he did... that's why I'm not convinced any more by arguments about the 109 being such a bad turner.

[drewpee]

Dumb question I know but are you positive it was a 109? If it was you were unlucky because the vast majority of 109 pilots just couldn't turn with you now after the patch. Maybe if he had flaps extended but he would not then be able to keep up (at the moment with patch)

[drewpee]

pstyle I urge you to go on line and fly a 109 and you will honestly see for your self.

[pstyle]

Originally Posted by drewpee

Dumb question I know but are you positive it was a 109? If it was you were unlucky because the vast majority of 109 pilots just couldn't turn with you now after the patch. Maybe if he had flaps extended but he would not then be able to keep up (at the moment with patch)

not a dumb question at all - it pays to be correct about details like that.
It was a 109. I'm 100% on that
I was on ATAG server, and he was yellownose, crosses on the wings and shooting at me, from about 100-150m back. I had a pretty good view.

I can understand the incredulity. You should have heard me swearing on comms! I was dumbfounded (and cussing a lot) that he could stay with me... my poor squad mates were getting an earful!

Originally Posted by drewpee

pstyle I urge you to go on line and fly a 109 and you will honestly see for your self.

I've flown the 109 I can never get it to do what this guy was doing..... And flown against them plenty enough times to know what they can do (and I've watched them stall out, overshoot etc...)

[ZaltysZ]

At what day and hour that happened?

[pstyle]

Originally Posted by ZaltysZ

At what day and hour that happened?

Sunday, around mid-day I think.
I wish I had the server info window on now.. and I wish I had recorded it too ;(

[drewpee]

Originally Posted by pstyle

I can understand the incredulity. You should have heard me swearing on comms! I was dumbfounded (and cussing a lot) that he could stay with me... my poor squad mates were getting an earful

LOL ,thats funny. I can just imagine it.

[von Brühl]

Are you sure you were in a max-rate turn in the Spit? Dropping flaps does not automatically guarantee that you are turning beyond the 109's capability.

[pstyle]

Originally Posted by von Brühl

Are you sure you were in a max-rate turn in the Spit? Dropping flaps does not automatically guarantee that you are turning beyond the 109's capability.

OK, so max-rate turn usually requires a constant speed and altitude as well, I cannot grantee that. I didn't actually time the turn, and I didn't have the time, nor the measuring tools to calculate my actual (as opposed to indicated) rate against the flying manual. I was certainly turning as fast as I could, both before, and after dropping the flaps.

We've all seen how much of an advantage the Spit 2a has had in this game when turning. I've done it loads of times, drop into a hard turn, and if he still stays with me and I'm getting close to the stall, drop the flaps. This has always shook 109s.

But not this time. It seems there is someone out there who can really coax a 109 in the turn.....

Hey, it might just be my imagination. I might not have been turning very steeply... (I doubt that) because I wasn't broken (I had not been engaged yet, and I was over friendly territory) and I was just on the stall buffet.

[pstyle]

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