Bf 110 cockpit, Wahlschalter and bomb load.

[robtek]

To use a color scheme for a model identification is pretty vague, as the differences betweed C, D and E weren't that big, the old C could have been refurbished to any of the three series.

I don't have the D.(Luft)T.211, but as you have posted in #3 the combination 2 x SD1000 isn't mentioned -> isn't usable.

[Kodoss]

Beat the one who has written the manuals, but not me.

bombenlast.jpg

All 3 manuals against each other.

And for "Bf 110 C, D und E Handbuch Teil 8B Heft 1" remember the additionally 200 kg for the 4 x SD 50!

And you still didn't show me your sources....

Edit: and for your info, the color scheme in the factories was changed as the C-4 and C-7 series started the production.

[Kodoss]

Before you scream: "show me the Picture!!"

pic of bombload.jpg

That's from "D.(Luft) T.579/2 Bf 110 Bedien- und Beladungsvorschrift für die Abwurfwaffe" July 1940!!!

[robtek]

Very interesting information, Kodoss.

Thanks for that.

[Kodoss]

Added Gear and flaps button auto pop out.

What a bugged aircraft...

[Kodoss]

I added now all the bugs regarding the Bf 110 from bugtracker in the first post.

regarding the fuel selector (bugtracker#41) I will check my manual again, because I remember to have seen other lever positions. Could be from a C-1 in mine, but I will check first.

[Kodoss]

As I thought, there's something off with the fuel selector.

from the BAL-manual Feb 1940
BAL Teil 7.jpg
This should be for C-1 and C-2 series. (tank pumps)

From the "Betriebsanleitung und Rüstanleitung" June 1939. (single pump)
Bf 110 C-1 C-2 .jpg

From "BAL Teil 12" but only for D-Series I think.
Bf 110 D-0.jpg

And from the Kurz-Betriebsanleitung (KBA from Feb 40) an additional attachment from October 1942.
C-series october 42.jpg

The interresting is that in the KBA already 2 pumpsystems are mentioned.
An old one with a central pump and a new one with seperate pumps for the tanks.
The "Ersatzteilliste Teil 7" from Jan 1940 doesn't even list a single pump, only the valve switch and the tank pumps.

The only conclusion that I can see for this is, that the B-series and first and early C-1 C-2 had a single-pump. In production of early C-series the pumps-system was changed to seperate tank pumps with the valve switch.

And if you compare the valve switch system from the C-Series (C-1 C-2) with the D-Series, they also work differently. The E-series uses the same valve switch system as the D-series.

Mankau/Petrick mention in their book a change in the fuel pump system and problems with the quantity of them for the production of the D-series as a sidenote, but didn't go into detail. Maybe because of the "Dackelbauch" with 3 additional pumps, but that's only a speculation of me.

Did anyone has more info regarding this matter?

Edit: after looking more closely to the diagrams I realised that the 2. Pic shows the single pump system.
But there is still a difference between the switch position of C-series tank pumps and D-series in the drawings.

[Kodoss]

I had some free time with GIMP and remodelled the cockpit of the C-7.

Bf 110 C-7 CloD.jpg
Cliffs of Dover original cockpit.


The revamped cockpit (more to the real deal).

EDIT: revamped pic deleted, see post #52 for new revamped cockpit!

[III/JG53_Don]

would be great if all these mistakes in the cockpits (not only of the 110) will be corrected in the next patch.... but you can doubt it unfortunately :/

[Kodoss]

Since Blacksix stated that

You will see some CloD aircrafts in the sequel. We'll fix cockpit if we argee with your bug-reports.

I thought of how I can convince them to fix the cockpit of the Bf-110 and give additionally advice for the later Series.

With this post I want to start a series of posts to show the differences in the cockpit between The Bf 110 B to F series.
For the G-series I have not enough material now, but should mostly the same as the F-series.
I will also go into systems and functions a little bit. I will also tell which sources I used.
Help for any of series is appreciated.

My planned orginazation looks like this:
1. Cockpit (pilot)
2. Cockpit (Radio/gunner)

Differences of the Bf-110 B-F cockpits and the conclusions for the CloD cockpit.

Let's begin by zero or better said with the Bf 110 B.
My sources for today:
The drawings: are from the "Betriebs- und Rüstanleitung Bf-110 B mit Jumo 210 G" Dec/1938
The picture: is from "L.Dv.579/1 Bf 110 B und C Bedienvorschrift für starre und bewegliche Schußwaffe" Dec/1938.
Can also be seen in "Messerschmitt Bf 110 C, D and E" from John Vasco and Fernando Estanislau.
For adding the Fl-number I used the model-code and searched through "Flugzeug-Ausrüstungsgeräte und Anforderungszeichen Mappe 1-3, 10"
If anyone of you have a copy of a " Bf-110 B spare parts catalog", please PM me.


A little description from my side:

16b) Patin-Tochterkompaß L2 PFK/f3
16 = Number of the picture
b = position in the picture
Patin-Tochterkompaß = the Name of the object
L2 = electrical position for the wiring diagram
PFK/f3 = model
FL 23338 = military standart spare part number (makes it easy to identify especially when you have "Flugzeug-Ausrüstungsgeräte und Anforderungszeichen Mappe 1-3, 10")


Cockpit left:
Bf 110 B manual cockpit left.jpg
3a) Hebelkasten mit Gas-, Laderschalt- und Brandhahnhebeln (lever box for gas(2), gear(1) and fuel-shut-off lever(2))
3b) Bedienhebel für Höhenhilfsruder (elevator trim)
3c) Boschhorn E26 (signal horn)
3d) Unterbau (plate)
3e) Netzausschalter A35 (für Batterie) (battery off switch)
3f) Zündschalter B11/B12 (ignition switch)
3g) Schalter für Kühlklappenverstellung E37/E38(switch for watercooler)
3i) Richtungsgeber K9 LRg5 FL-22569
3h) Kursmotor K4 LKMo FL-22563
3k) Landeklappenanzeigegerät (landing flaps indicator)
3n) Handräder für Pressluft (Fahrwerk-/Landeklappennotbetätigung) (emergency wheels for pressed air to landing gear and landing flaps)
3o) Manometer für Pressluft (gauge for pressed air)
3p) Laderbedienhebel (Laderschalthebel) (engine gear selector)
3q) Bowdenzug



Cockpit right:
Bf 110 B manual cockpit right.jpg
4a) Handpumpenhebel (fuelpump lever)
4b) Hebel für Kraftstoffventilbatterie (fueltank selector lever)
4c) Bedienhebel für Seitenhilfruder (rudder trim)
4d) Empfindlichkeitsregler für Wendezeiger (sensitivity regulator for turn and bank indicator)
4e) Ausgleichsgefäß für Variometer (adjustment tank for variometer)
4f) Höhenatmer (oxygen breather)
4g) Füllstutzen-Zapfenventil für Höhenatmer (fill vent for oxygen breather)
4h) Vierfachschaltkasten A36 mit selbstschalter für Staurrohrheizung, Gerätebrettlampen, Triebwerksbeleuchtung, Kennlichter und Scheinwerfer
from front to rear 1.) Scheinwerfer (landing light)
2.) Kennlichter (navigational lights)
3.) Gerätebrett-/Motorgondelbeleuchtung (lights for intrument board and engine intrument board)
4.) Staurohrheizung (pitot tube heater)
additionally 5.) Starre waffe P2 Selbstschalter (fuse switch for guns)
6.) Starre Waffe P1 Selbstschalter (fuse switch for guns)
4i) Anlaßschalter (starter switch)
4k) Unterbau (plate)
4m) Druckknopf C19 für 17c) Lampen C20/C21/C22/C23
4n) Hauptschalter (für Kurssteuerung) K7 LSch4ü FL-22559-1 (Main switch for autopilot)
4o) Anlaßpumpe (starter pump)

Cockpit front:
Bf 110 B manual cockpit front.jpg
16a) Fernkurskreisel K8 LKu4 FL-22561 (directional gyro)
16b) Patin-Tochterkompaß L2 PFK/f3 FL-23338
16c) Kompaß (compass)
16d) Fahrwerksanzeigegerät E23 (landing gear indicator)
16e) Borduhr (clock)
16f) Drehzahlmesser M19/M20 (rev counter)
16g) Verdunkler C11
16h) Reststandsanzeiger links M14 (low fuel indicator left)
16i) Reststandsanzeiger rechts M15 (low fuel indicator right)
16k) Notzugknopf für Rudermaschine (emergency pull button for rudder engine(part of the auto pilot))
16l) Ladedruckmesser (boost gauges)
16m) Vorratsanzeiger für Kraftstoff vorne (front fuel indicator) M21
16n) Vorratsanzeiger für Kraftstoff hinten (rear fuel indicator) M23
16o) Kurszeiger K6 LKz3 (course indicator)
16p) elektr. Anzeigegeräte E19/E20 für Luftschraubenverstellung (elect. Propeller pitch indicator)
16q) Staurohrheizungslampe D3 (pitot heater control lamp)
16r) Wendezeiger (turn and bank indicator)
16s) Variometer (rate of climb meter)
16t) Fein-Grobhöhenmesser (altimeter)
16u) Horizont (artificial horizon)
16v) Fahrtmesser (airspeed indicator)
16w) Kühlwassertemperatur (coolant temp gauge)
16x) Anzeiger für Funknavigation (radio navigation indicator)
16Y) Feststellhebel für Horizont (artificial horizon on-off switch)
Bf 110 B cockpit.jpg

Engine gauges:
Bf 110 B manual engine gauges.jpg
17a) Gerätebrett
17c) Lampen C20/C22 bzw. C21/C23 (lamps)
17d) Druckausgleichsventil (pressure valve)
17e) Mech. Anzeigegerät für Luftschraubenverstellung (mech. propeller pitch indicator)
gauges below, front to rear: 1.) Kraftstoff-/Schmierstoffdruckmesser (double gauge Fuel/oil pressure)
2.) Schmierstoff-Ein/Austrittstemperatur (double gauge oil-in/oil-out-temp)
17f) Generator 30V 1200W
17g) Belüftungsrohr für Generator (coolant air tube for generator)
17h) Biegsame Welle zum Verstellmotor

Next will be Cockpit(Pilot) of the Bf 110 C-series.