A newbies impression of the 109 and spit

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by Kurfürst

Full quote instead of the usual selective quoting:

Yeah I did that one purpose because you already had, thus exposing your hypocracy. The model he had did not use 12lbs nor CSP - that is why it approaches the performance rather than exceeds it. An emergency bunt and run is a defensive move in a dogfight, very useful but not as a killing tactic.

Originally Posted by Kurfürst

Source please to 87 octane fuel only. Why would the Germans test an aircraft on 87 octane fuel, when supposedly all Spitfires were running on 100 octane, and would be captured in such state..? Hmm?

Now why would exactly would they fuel it with 100 octane then Kurfurst? I though you said the RAF weren't using it. Prove to me that they put 100 in it - that's your claim not mine.

Sensible people can use deduction and logic anyway. The very fact that it is a 2 stage Spitfire means that it has a Merlin II and was in operation during the Battle of France, and that a Merlin II required conversion to accept 100 octane fuel and make use of 12lbs of boost in the first place. Then there is the fact that Molders doesn't mention use of the ABC which he would have had to use in order to get over 6.25lbs anyway.

So, either the LW decided to fuel an aircraft with a fuel that would destroy the engine or the RAF had all their fighters converted by the Fall of France but then decided to stop using it and convert them back again when the BoB started. Yeah, right.........just stop being so silly would you.

[Kurfürst]

Originally Posted by Osprey

Yeah I did that one purpose because you already had, thus exposing your hypocracy.

You selectively quoted on purpose to expose my hyporcracy.

Brilliant.

Now why would exactly would they fuel it with 100 octane then Kurfurst? I though you said the RAF weren't using it.

Nope I've said that only select squadrons have used it.

Originally Posted by Osprey

Prove to me that they put 100 in it - that's your claim not mine.

Originally Posted by Osprey

And he only had an 87 octane 2 stage prop aeroplane to test which is why he goes on to criticise it a little.

No comment.

Sensible people can use deduction and logic anyway. ...

Osprey pulls out a shotgun with a big grin...

... The very fact that it is a 2 stage Spitfire means that it has a Merlin II and was in operation during the Battle of France, and that a Merlin II required conversion to accept 100 octane fuel and make use of 12lbs of boost in the first place. Then there is the fact that Molders doesn't mention use of the ABC which he would have had to use in order to get over 6.25lbs anyway.

... then shoots himself in the leg, twice, and finally falls into a punji. The crowd is absolutely blasted by the show.

[Crumpp]

And he only had an 87 octane 2 stage prop aeroplane to test which is why he goes on to criticise it a little.

Wasn't the claim 100 Octane was used in the Battle of France made in that thread?

[Al Schlageter]

Originally Posted by Crumpp

Wasn't the claim 100 Octane was used in the Battle of France made in that thread?

Hurricanes in France did.

[Kurfürst]

Originally Posted by Crumpp

Wasn't the claim 100 Octane was used in the Battle of France made in that thread?

I think you confuse it with the one about 'poor Jerries reliedin the BoB entirely on British 100 octane stock captured in France'-thread.

And this one is the 'yet they could not figure out how to put these captured stuff in Spitfires which were all supposed to run on the stuff by this time'-thread.