How to be paid off

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by kristorf

However, he does have a fair point about something that doesn't work.

If you bought a car and it didn't run would you say 'oh well, a mechanic 'might' be able to fix it so I won't take it back', then wait for a year in hope?

This is very true, however I would go through that process 'before' deciding to go on a forum and shout about it.

[Madfish]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

This is very true, however I would go through that process 'before' deciding to go on a forum and shout about it.

That's your personal preference though and you are very unique in that regard.

Here in Germany e.g. we have something called "Beweislastumkehr" which means that after half a year of product use the customer HAS to prove that the product is faulty.
Before that it is assumed that the product is new and doesn't work as advertised and in the case of the customer complaining it is the company that has to prove that the product is not faulty.

Waiting for a year is totally useless and a big waste of time. It might mean that you don't get anything fixed and potentially have to live with a broken car or pay for the repairs yourself. I'd never ever wait for a car company to fix my car anyways, my life depends on it daily.

The European Court of Justice recently also made some interesting judgements were selling of used software e.g. is allowed and there are perspectives on the horizon like software guarantees. I'd love to see regular guarantees in software as some developers and publishers behave like donkeys and sell broken useless stuff.

And trust me... CloD is NOT the worst game I've played. From the "trash pile" it sit's still on the top. I've had nighmarishly broken games already. So yeah, this needs to be changed.

[bongodriver]

So...how many people have genuinely even attempted to get their money back?

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by Madfish

Here in Germany e.g. we have something called "Beweislastumkehr" which means that after half a year of product use the customer HAS to prove that the product is faulty.
Before that it is assumed that the product is new and doesn't work as advertised and in the case of the customer complaining it is the company that has to prove that the product is not faulty.

Are you sure, that those regulations concern also the license you get with the game?

The European Court of Justice recently also made some interesting judgements were selling of used software e.g. is allowed and there are perspectives on the horizon like software guarantees. I'd love to see regular guarantees in software as some developers and publishers behave like donkeys and sell broken useless stuff.
(...)
Simply being able to start the game and load a mission doesn't equal "it will run".
System requirements are actually meant to represenet the necessary hard- / software to run the full game with all it's features and under all conditions (e.g. multiplayer with max players per server, all single player missions etc.) just with reduced graphical details within reasonable limits.
It's not a value representing the necessary specs to see the main menu or sit on the ground lagging around with 1-15fps.

I am interested in this. Do you have any European Court of Justice case judgments about min. requirements?

[BigC208]

What's going on here? I see all sorts of new people with low post counts show up. They all complain in atrocious English. They all feel ripped off and want their money back. Maybe the moderators should be a bit less enthousiastic banning old timers. They seem to respawn with new accounts and a 100 point IQ drop.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by BigC208

What's going on here? I see all sorts of new people with low post counts show up. They all complain in atrocious English. They all feel ripped off and want their money back. Maybe the moderators should be a bit less enthousiastic banning old timers. They seem to respawn with new accounts and a 100 point IQ drop.

Carful..

Force10 will post a picture of someone wearing a tin foil hat in response to anyone that would think such a thing let alone say it

[Rjel]

Threads like this one always generate the same responses from the same posters time after time. It's like Deja vu. All over again. Thanks Yogi.

[Force10]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Carful..

Force10 will post a picture of someone wearing a tin foil hat in response to anyone that would think such a thing let alone say it

Nah Ace....I only take the time to do that for you because you have reached a special place in my heart.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Force10

Nah Ace....I only take the time to do that for you because you have reached a special place in my heart.

Ah so it worked.. I have got under your skin! Thanks for the feedback!

[jibo]

Originally Posted by BigC208

What's going on here? I see all sorts of new people with low post counts show up. They all complain in atrocious English. They all feel ripped off and want their money back. Maybe the moderators should be a bit less enthousiastic banning old timers. They seem to respawn with new accounts and a 100 point IQ drop.

give money me now, very important it is, thought was buying a real plane,
no plane in the box, feel duped, need plane to fly for personal project,
(majijuana to america) can't explain more.