MW3 Blamed for Norway Massacre?

[Fjordmonkey]

Originally Posted by Jaws2002

There's no excuse to drop the ball the way they did. This is all related to the political system runing the show. In the town of 200.000+ people I live in, there were no homicides for over two years. The police officers still ride with the c8 cqb carbine in the cruiser, because you never know.

I seem to remember that nobody foresaw the school-shootings in Columbine or Virginia Tech either, despite having a ready access to guns set down in the constitution. Having police that are armed on a daily basis is in absolutely NO way, shape or form a surefire way to stop a lone person with a plan and the will to carry it out.

The political system here in Norway is NOT to blame for one man's insane rampage, and there was quite frankly nothing that could have been done to prevent this. Our police isn't armed on a day to day basis by choice as much as per orders, and the only two units of the police that are armed and train with firearms damn near on a daily basis are Delta (Antiterror-squad) and the Rapid Response Team. Who, I might add, were both present in downtown Oslo not all that long after the bomb there went off.

If you can blame july 22nd on the political system here, then I can blame each and every gun-related homicide in the US on the political system there. Or any other place in the world, for that matter.

I don't expect you to understand, however. You don't know us, and you don't know how we think.

Re Breivik's sentence: He will most definitely receive the maximum amount permissible by law here, which is 21 years of prison. But he is also damn near guaranteed to receive a sentence of incarceration, which is, under our laws, something that can be used until he is no longer a threat to himself or the society in general. Incarceration is mostly used in cases where there is a severe and real ground to believe that a person will commit similar acts again, and Breivik has stated multiple times that he would if he could.

I'd be surprised if Breivik ever is a free man again, and IF he is, I severely doubt he'd live long out on his own. While we Norwegians aren't vengeful by nature as a people, exceptions have been known to happen. And while not vengeful by nature, we do have long memories.

[Flanker35M]

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I think that what is common in Scandinavia is the police not having visible guns everywhere. To some a gun can be a provocation and police is taught not to use it as first measure of law enforcing. And in most cases this is enough and works. But as in any communities there are exceptions and then the special trained police units are called in, even MP can support.

This Breivik..A gruesome example of what a twisted human mind can plan and execute. Blaming computer games or whatever is just an excuse to put the blame on everything else but the shortcomings of our societies. There will always be someone that would do things like this even in the so called perfect community.

Tough times in Norway now, especially for the relatives and survivors. I wish they will have the strength to overcome this ordeal and the lunatic kept away for life.

[Wandalen]

Ecclesiastes 10:13

The beginning of the words of his mouth is foolishness: and the end of his talk is wicked madness.


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[Wolf_Rider]

Has anyone ever noticed just how similar a battery hen farm and society are?

[Jaws2002]

Originally Posted by Fjordmonkey

The political system here in Norway is NOT to blame for one man's insane rampage, and there was quite frankly nothing that could have been done to prevent this. Our police isn't armed on a day to day basis by choice as much as per orders, and the only two units of the police that are armed and train with firearms damn near on a daily basis are Delta (Antiterror-squad) and the Rapid Response Team. Who, I might add, were both present in downtown Oslo not all that long after the bomb there went off.

I don't expect you to understand, however. You don't know us, and you don't know how we think.

I don't blame the system for the actions of the mad man. I blame them for the extremely poor reaction. The fact that law enforcement units in Norway did not have as basic tool as a helicopter, is not excusable and the system is to be blamed for it. Also one can argue that having only two armed units in the country was a shortcoming, as Delta was obviously bussy in Oslo and didn't have enough people in time to send to the island.

I can't say I know Norway, but I've been there quite a few times. I've been from Oslo, to Bergen, Trondheim, Tromsø , all the way up to Nordkapp. Awesome country and great people. But I think the leaders were quite naive about law enforcement needs.