MW3 Blamed for Norway Massacre?

[raaaid]

well im utterly insane and i dont go on a rampage killing

he is getting all the girls he wants in jail

he has fans

he is spreading his ideas

he made the word multishit famous

he is smarter than me and you together and as crazy as hitler was

when will people get if crime is madness there would be no jails but asylums

of course i admitt theres really bad a bad and crazy person but insanity doesnt mean badnees nor badness means insanity i really dont understand how much people is brainwashed into it

crazy(grazy) has positive connotations, also lunatic , and the word insanity is like condolence

[Robert]

So a book about mythical dieties can influence a group of people to fly a plane into three buildings, but playing Modern Warfare on the computer day after day can't influence some one to shoot up a camp filled with children.

I'n NOT saying video games caused this massacre, but I can certainly see a twisted mind becoming desensatized to killing by playing over and over again - thus potentially making it 'easier' for this nut to go out and do what he did. He obviously already had a screw loose, and was looking to express his anger and frustration (that's putting it mildly) at the wind mills in his own mind.

There's a certain point in this man's thought process that went from deep anger, but inaction to deep anger and justifying killing almost 100 people. I believe MW may have been just one influence that contributed to his mental failure.

I realize there's a difference between a 'thus saith the lord' and this man's killing spree. He probably didn't get his unction from MW, but the core symptom of both groups is disatisfaction, anger, frustration, hatred. Both were manipulated to believe it was okay to do wehat they did. The first group by promises in a book - the other by continuous desensativity and sublimating that onto his victims.

Does that mean video games are inherently dangerous? No. But I have no problem believing that certain minds can be influenced. It's a very very small risk - one I don't think warrants the KIND of attention it gets, but it can happen.


...... and in case you think I'm making excuses for him. I'd vote guilty and the death penalty. If not the death penalty - he'd NEVER get out of jail - EVER.

[Wolf_Rider]

A death sentence would make him a martyr, in his and his associates eyes, as his belief he had a just cause.
Not wanting to go OT (or into a sensitive area), but, the supposed "Clash of Civilisations" is something to keep in mind here. There's only one thing left really, which can both galvanise and polarise the masses on a world wide basis, and that is religion.

[winny]

They should just chain him to a lamp post in Oslo overnight.. Let the people decide..

Then pick up whatever is left over in the morning. Save a lot of money.

Anyway I thought it was WoW he was playing? "16 hours every day for a year" is what's been reported over here in the UK

That's enough to drive anyone mad.

Oh.. and I bet you that he's got a tiny d**k... And girls used to laugh at him..

Another small man with big issues.

[Thee_oddball]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

A death sentence would make him a martyr, in his and his associates eyes, as his belief he had a just cause.
Not wanting to go OT (or into a sensitive area), but, the supposed "Clash of Civilisations" is something to keep in mind here. There's only one thing left really, which can both galvanise and polarise the masses on a world wide basis, and that is religion.

its not "supposed" there is a clash and even Merkel had to admit that and I get the feeling that Breivik is the extreme!! embodiment of a growing anti-immigrant sentiment in Europe but one thing is for sure...the guy is a sociopath...you can NOT murder that many people and be ok with it...he is the type the SS sought during WW2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWVmdBUGxAo

[CWMV]

Well honestly I understand the anti immigration feeling.
I'm not subject to the muslim horde that you Europeans are dealing with, but we have our own issues in California.

It really makes you wonder if its right to allow people to come to your country, and then wath as they refuse to assimilate, even to the point of refusing to speak English (in our case).

Me-*knocks on door* "Hello! I have a Package for Jose Garcia!"
Occupant-*Opens door, puzzled look on face* "Que?"
Me-"Good morning Sir! I have a package for Jose Garcia, I just need your signature before I can givehand it over."
Occupant-"habla espanol?"
Me-...No.

[Wolf_Rider]

@ Thee Odball

Sociopath might be any easy label, but his testimonies etc indicate that he does have a social conscience - the very reason he did what did (according to him) was, in his view, to protect society.





Kupsised

"He said he played online fantasy role-playing game World of Warcraft as well as shooting simulation Call of Duty, which he said helped to hone his strategies for what he believed would be a suicide mission.

"Some people dream about sailing around the world, some dream of playing golf. I dreamt of playing World of Warcraft," he told the court.

He insisted the game was a social, not very violent strategy game, which was "pure entertainment [and] has nothing to do with July 22".

Breivik said he played Call of Duty: Modern Warfare as actual training for the shooting spree.

"It is a war simulator. It gives you an impression of how target systems work," he explained, adding he used it to practice "shooting other people".

"The plan was to not surrender before the whole plan had been carried out," he told the court.

"It was a suicide mission where the probability of survival was equal to zero."

On the day of the attacks last July he arrived in Oslo's city centre and was surprised life did not imitate art.

He told the court: "I expected three or four officers to come out and get me".

But Utoeya survivor Tore Bekkedal says linking war games addiction to acts of terrorism is a knee-jerk reaction.

"I've played the same violent video games and I don't go round bloody shooting kids. I mean half the people in Utoeya played the same games," he said."



read more -> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-04-1...-utoya/3961532



Perhaps the video game association was shot down by comments from one of the survivors?

[Kupsised]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

@ Thee Odball

Sociopath might be any easy label, but his testimonies etc indicate that he does have a social conscience - the very reason he did what did (according to him) was, in his view, to protect society.





Kupsised

"He said he played online fantasy role-playing game World of Warcraft as well as shooting simulation Call of Duty, which he said helped to hone his strategies for what he believed would be a suicide mission.

"Some people dream about sailing around the world, some dream of playing golf. I dreamt of playing World of Warcraft," he told the court.

He insisted the game was a social, not very violent strategy game, which was "pure entertainment [and] has nothing to do with July 22".

Breivik said he played Call of Duty: Modern Warfare as actual training for the shooting spree.

"It is a war simulator. It gives you an impression of how target systems work," he explained, adding he used it to practice "shooting other people".

"The plan was to not surrender before the whole plan had been carried out," he told the court.

"It was a suicide mission where the probability of survival was equal to zero."

On the day of the attacks last July he arrived in Oslo's city centre and was surprised life did not imitate art.

He told the court: "I expected three or four officers to come out and get me".

But Utoeya survivor Tore Bekkedal says linking war games addiction to acts of terrorism is a knee-jerk reaction.

"I've played the same violent video games and I don't go round bloody shooting kids. I mean half the people in Utoeya played the same games," he said."



read more -> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-04-1...-utoya/3961532



Perhaps the video game association was shot down by comments from one of the survivors?

I tried to find the video I'd seen but can't seem to get it any more. Unfortunately, when there's developing news on the BBC they chop and change the contents and titles of articles so it's near impossible to find again. Couldn't find it in my history either. Either way, I don't think it was from that exact passage you quoted, since Breivik himself wasn't there, it seemed to be that they were only questioning the prosecution as to why they deemed that necessary information and as far as I remember it, only WoW was mentioned. If that's the actual court transcript from when Breivik was in court though, that'd make sense why all the papers had jumped on CoD.

[Geronimo989]

Originally Posted by Thee_oddball

he is the type the SS sought during WW2.

I dont think he would be accepted in a SS combat unit. They were searching for physically fit young men willing to fight and die for their ideals, and I don't think Breivik was so willing to fight and die for his, being that he surrendered as soon as the police arrived.
And what kind of a joke is the Norwegian police? I read that they do not regulary carry guns...

[Jaws2002]

Originally Posted by Geronimo989

I dont think he would be accepted in a SS combat unit. They were searching for physically fit young men willing to fight and die for their ideals, and I don't think Breivik was so willing to fight and die for his, being that he surrendered as soon as the police arrived.
And what kind of a joke is the Norwegian police? I read that they do not regulary carry guns...

Agree. The system has half the blame in this case. The Norwegian police did not have a bloody helycopter to get to th shooting scene, while two news chopprs were filming the savage shooting people. It took them over an hour and half to get to him only 40km from the capital.
This is unacceptable. Half those kids could have been saved in most other countries that take the security of their citizens seriously. First, they made sure there are as few weaponns in the civilians hands as possible, telling them the police will protect them. Then they took the guns from the police and did everything they could (with budget cuts and monumental bureocratic bs rules), to make sure those units that still had guns were almost incapable to react effectively.
This case is to be used by law enforcement agencies across the globe as example of "strategy of certain defeat".
The same people that created this impotent system are going to make sure this monster is cared for for the rest of his life.