Friday Update, April 13, 2012

[Hooves]

I'm sorry but you have it absolutely backwards. In historical context the RAF actually had an advantage as the LW were ordered to stay with the bombers negating their boom and zoom advantage. In a video game with unrestricted
ROE the 109's make mints meat of the RAF birds as they can do whatever they want to. In an online game arena with no orders. Realism falls on it's face, with one side constantly getting beat for the sake of historical flight model. So tell ya what I'll continue to try to get a height advantage if you 109 drivers never stray from your bombers. After all we are being "realistic" aren't we?

[5./JG27.Farber]

Originally Posted by Hooves

I'm sorry but you have it absolutely backwards. In historical context the RAF actually had an advantage as the LW were ordered to stay with the bombers...

Not for the entire battle, that order was mid to late BoB - I cant remember when or find the date, Im assuming late August.

However from the most unreliable of sources, heres this from wiki:

"By September, standard tactics for raids had become an amalgam of techniques. A Freie Jagd would precede the main attack formations. The bombers would fly in at altitudes between 16,000 feet (4,900 m) and 20,000 feet (6,100 m), closely escorted by fighters. Escorts were divided into two parts (usually Gruppen), some operating in close contact with the bombers, and others a few hundred yards away and a little above."


O how I loathe wikipedia.


It is, through non rose tinted glasses, widely acknowlegded that the most superior fighter, by a margin, in 1940 was the 109. Later in the war the arms race sees the spit and 109 leap frogging each other however many many other factors must be taken into consideration. Its simply NOT who had the best plane won. As you mentioned - orders for one hampered the 109 driver late in BoB.

I have a huge respect for Hurricane pilots, they were the back bone of the BoB and many other theatres where the Spitfire was largely abscent for some time. Sadly the 109 WAS better than the Hurri and the pilots where often better also. However its not just the kite - Its largley the pilot. That brings us to another factor, we as virtual pilots NEVER DIE. We learn from our mistakes, we all have more than 5 Victories (an ace) and more than 10 (Experte )... We live to fly another day! We have the knowledge of the best tactics that those who did this for real did not. So its not all down to the plane, which in this Sim - should be as historic as possible and the rest is up to us.

David Hayward said:

>>Consider yourself fortunate if they don't add a forum ban surcharge. <<

Oh be quiet. Would you like a big stir-spoon to go with that comment?

Now, back to the fact of Clod being quietly dropped off the radar.

I now fully expect a lot of 'they always intended user-made campaigns and content, what more do you want' type posts, in lieu of the 'it's coming, it's coming, they haven't stopped working on it.'

Well yes, they have. Merged engine enhancements, and that's about it.

Ben

[philip.ed]

Ben, I completely agree, but this isn't new knews: just regurgitated and rephrased old news. Luthier has been very good at this: he's been 100% honest about the development of CloD from day 1 of release. It's just the same as all previous Il-2 games.

I think it's good. No offence to the team, but I think they are much better placed modelling the Eastern Front: their previous experience and knowledge will be excellent. The same can't always be said for the BoB. They had a good stab, but they're limited in their location, and have access to less resources than we do.

I think the BoB aspect will be handed over to the community, and this will be a good decision.

Obviously one can view this as annoying: we bought a BoB game and were delivered a channel scrap. Hopefully when the team (or a team) goes back to the ETO, they will incorporate the community work and help shape this growing simulation.

#overlyoptimistic?

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

and have access to less resources than we do.

You got any examples?

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

You got any examples?

I'm looking outside and seeing (a dark) England as I speak. They can't see what I'm seeing. It's one of the reasons why I think the landscape could be so much better.

I have access to a number of notable museums on the BoB. They don't.

I mean look at the game: the markings for the RAF A/C are off in places, it could always be better. They've done a great job in most places, but things could be better. Note that a lot of the sources they used for their resources have come from people like myself (e.g. I assisted in the RAF clothing seen in-game. They didn't use all of my research though...)

[Hooves]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

I'm looking outside and seeing (a dark) England as I speak. They can't see what I'm seeing. It's one of the reasons why I think the landscape could be so much better.

I have access to a number of notable museums on the BoB. They don't.

I mean look at the game: the markings for the RAF A/C are off in places, it could always be better. They've done a great job in most places, but things could be better. Note that a lot of the sources they used for their resources have come from people like myself (e.g. I assisted in the RAF clothing seen in-game. They didn't use all of my research though...)

Can you be a champ and literally go outside and take a picture of the local landscape and post it here? I for one have only seen the country from the confines of lakenHeath afb.

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

I'm looking outside and seeing (a dark) England as I speak. They can't see what I'm seeing. It's one of the reasons why I think the landscape could be so much better.

There is an amazing invention called the camera. Google it.

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by Falstaff

David Hayward said:

>>Consider yourself fortunate if they don't add a forum ban surcharge. <<

Oh be quiet. Would you like a big stir-spoon to go with that comment?

Now, back to the fact of Clod being quietly dropped off the radar.

You don't even see the irony, do you?

[Tavingon]

Very happy, I had a feeling something good would surface from the morass today!