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Old 02-24-2012, 11:03 PM
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Re the statement
The Germans were sinking British tankers at an increasing rate, and all 100 octane fuel was coming in those tankers....but this was increasingly uncertain as Uboot took their toll on the tankers, and, during May and June, until the French capitulation, with 25% of their fighters and some of their bombers running on 100 octane the British consumed 12 000 tons of 100 octane and 42 000 tons of other (87) grades, or 54 000 ton of avgas at total - and there was no tanker running in with 100 octane until August 1940.

If there weren't any tankers coming in can someone explain how the reserves went up, in particular the 49,000 tons in the six weeks between 31st May and 11th July .
I think we can rule out air freight or submarine cargo

Stocks of 100 Octane
30th September 1939 153,000 tons(b)
27th February 1940 220,000 tons(b)
31st May 1940 294,000 tons(a)
11th July 1940 343,000 tons(b)
31st August 1940 404,000 tons(a)
10th October 1940 424,000 tons(c)
30th November 1940 440,000 tons(a)

PS remember these are reserves total inports would have to cover usage as well
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Old 02-24-2012, 11:21 PM
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If there weren't any tankers coming in can someone explain how the reserves went up, in particular the 49,000 tons in the six weeks between 31st May and 11th July .
Because they not used it with the Spits!
(sorry, i can't resist )
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Old 02-25-2012, 12:02 AM
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Like it, it was an open goal
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Old 02-25-2012, 12:17 AM
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Because they not used it with the Spits!
(sorry, i can't resist )
Damn Brits, all that 100 octane coming in, so they just hoard it like squirrels...
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Old 02-25-2012, 01:20 AM
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Oh, and as for that Australian paper used so extensively by Barbi, here is its title, as used by Barbi as a reference in a Wikipedia article:

"Fuel Supplies to The British Empire And It's Commonwealth; Outlook, Ramifications and Projections For The Prosecution Of The War, February 1941, Australian War Memorial Archives."

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Revision as of 08:39, 16 July 2008 (edit)
Kurfürst (talk | contribs)
(Revised section on 100 octane fuel with more reliable and referenced information; noted fact that the German Air Force also used 100 octane fuel in the Battle. Better sectioning. Added armament info.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...ldid=225978800


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ai...00_octane_fuel

Barbi's explanation of the origins and importance of this paper:

"The document which relealed the details of 100 octane use in the BoB by the RAF was a document, copied to the Australian Military Commission in England in February 1941, by Roll Royce to Lord Beaverbrook outlining past, current and proposed changes to the Merlin; and factors that affect it's performance. Its a British-made document, prepeared for the highest circles. McFarland, Pugh, Hart, Perret, Lumsden and even Churchill have all quoted parts from the report." Kurfürst (talk) 10:53, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Now, in 2008 I inquired of the AWM whether they had such a paper, giving this specific title, referencing Beaverbrook, Rolls-Royce, the Australian Military Commission etc etc...The AWM's response was that they had no such paper.

Just googled, yahooed, binged "Australian Military Commission England WW2" nada - no such organisation appeared to even exist, but I'll cross reference with Australia's Official War Histories to see if there is mention of it there.

I've also just submitted a search inquiry to the AWM:

"I am making an inquiry as to whether the AWM Archives have a paper entitled:

"Fuel Supplies to The British Empire And It's Commonwealth; Outlook, Ramifications and Projections For The Prosecution Of The War, February 1941'

This was a paper written by Rolls-Royce and used by Lord Beaverbrook to address the supply of aviation fuel to Australia via the Australian Military Commission in Britain in February 1941.

I am sorry that there appears to be no AWM reference number, so, hopefully, the title and key references will help."

(Question # RCIS34105
Request type Reference Other
Question )

I am sanguine that they will indeed find this paper and clear this matter up.
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Old 02-25-2012, 01:22 AM
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wouldn't be the first time
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