Oleg and Team.

[Feuerfalke]

The glorious days of hacker-groups, that managed to post their label in protected games and spreading them on schoolyards is long gone.

What you call "true Online play community" on anonymous servers, is neither the "true" community, whatever that should be, and it is most surely not anonymous; they're numerous, if at all.

But that's what we're talking about:
This is not about a group of fans flying purely offline campaigns in a Tigermoth, with visible explosions and smoketrails for well above 10km or billboards to make Icons visible over larger distances. I doubt anybody would even care. It's about those who use these mods to fly on "non-elitist" servers and you cannot say who is using what modifications.

[msalama]

It's about those who use these mods to fly on "non-elitist" servers and you cannot say who is using what modifications.

Exactly.

[Lo0n]

oh come on, i've only been flying online for a few months now, and only in public non-mod servers, but i have still to see any cheating going on. you do start to recognise the players who aren't just stopping by for a one off visit, and you start geting chatting to them. you do see people getting insta-kicked as soon as they join, evidently because they have the modded files, and then you see them rejoin when (presumably) they have used the version switcher tool to revert to stock. no funny flying, no super p.11's, no 108 armed spitfires. and the trust aspect? well how many times have you had someone warp out of your gunsight, pre- and post-mod days? did that not do anything for your trust of certain players?

the online game is far from dead, there seems to be a bit of ebb and flow of numbers on the servers i play on but it goes up as well as down. but then if you aren't playing cos you don't trust anyone... how would you know about the state of online play?

[msalama]

did that not do anything for your trust of certain players?

Not overmuch... their Internet connections, however, were sometimes a bit untrustworthy

And yes, there were 'tards printscreening and cable-pulling before the crack too, of course. But that still doesn't lessen the fact of the basic situation being different now - and if you can't accept or understand that, fine, your business.

how would you know about the state of online play?

How would I know about some good friends still flying online telling me about the general swing of things in the circles I used to frequent while I was still active myself? By e-mail, among other means... HTH

[msalama]

But hey, this discussion is just so much c**p and little else if IL-2 indeed goes Steam w/ v4.09, now isn't it?

[ElAurens]

To understand Lexx's posts you must understand that he does not fly online, and he doesn't fly this sim at all anymore, and the few times he did fly online he was blown out of the sky. He is very active in the Strike Fighters modding community. He is a modder looking for another sandbox to play in.

He has made the same baseless arguement about "onliners not paying" for years.

Ignore him.

The poor soul is lost.

[msalama]

OK, "dead and buried" is admittedly a gross overstatement, granted... but still, do people _really_ think that an existing cheating loophole _wouldn't_ get exploited in an ultra-competetive environment such as IL-2? I find that extremely hard to believe myself, us humans being the a$$hats that we unfortunately are

[Feuerfalke]

Originally Posted by Lo0n

oh come on, i've only been flying online for a few months now, and only in public non-mod servers, but i have still to see any cheating going on. you do start to recognise the players who aren't just stopping by for a one off visit, and you start geting chatting to them. you do see people getting insta-kicked as soon as they join, evidently because they have the modded files, and then you see them rejoin when (presumably) they have used the version switcher tool to revert to stock. no funny flying, no super p.11's, no 108 armed spitfires. and the trust aspect? well how many times have you had someone warp out of your gunsight, pre- and post-mod days? did that not do anything for your trust of certain players?

the online game is far from dead, there seems to be a bit of ebb and flow of numbers on the servers i play on but it goes up as well as down. but then if you aren't playing cos you don't trust anyone... how would you know about the state of online play?

No, online playing is not dead - nobody said, but it changed.

Surely we've had warping and stuff before, but that's not the point. I can see somebody that jumps from my gunsight to my six, while his ping rises and I know he's a printscreener and usually he's getting kicked before he can use that advantage. You knew that, everybody knew certain bugs and exploits and you could easily identify people, at least by watching the tracks.
But I cannot detect, if somebody uses a transparent cockpit or wonder-woman view on a Cockpit-locked server or if he detected me over 30km or over 3km. Can you?