Another Holywood Boo Boo

[whoarmongar]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

Yeah, good luck to anyone making a movie showing the "good" Nazis.

I could envisage a film about a "Good Nazi" being a success if released at the moment.
The anti-hero seems to be in vogue at the moment, look at a series like "Dexter" a huge hit, where the hero is a serial killer. Once upon a time vampires were evil, stank like the grave and were certainly all badies deserving nothing more than a stake through the heart, preferably during the day whilst they slept and were defenceless. Now theyre sexy misunderstood teenage characters that teenage girls want to snog.
The Nazis didnt come to power in Germany with a manifesto that said, First were going to create a police state within Germany and murder anyone who opposes us, then were going to launch an allout total war against all our european neighbours bombing defenceless cities and occuping these countries, then we will launch a barbarous inhumane attack against Russia. Finally we will systematically murder millions of jews and other "undesirables"simply because we dont think they diserve to live.

The Nazis come to power promising to "fix" a broken country blaming the western powers the bolshoviks and "Jewish bankers" (a not totally unreasonable argument at the time) for Germanys ills, this arguement could easily seduce any idealist patriotic German at the time. Thus many a "good man" could have ended up being party members,or in the SS.
The escalation of atrocities from breaking windows to final solution would have caught many people up and implicated them as time went by, a gradual corruption of a persons moral being.

Throw in a persons loyalty to his squad mates created by combat during war time, and the stress created by war, combat,loss and fear and its easy to see that this person may have doubts and be terribly conflicted, but would simply concentrate on the job in hand ie simply follow orders.

I actually think it would be a good plot for a film, but I doubt anyfilm maker would have the courage to produce it.

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by fruitbat

and you can't see no difference between those examples, correct?

I see people fighting back against totalitarian regimes.

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by whoarmongar

The Nazis didnt come to power in Germany with a manifesto that said, First were going to create a police state within Germany and murder anyone who opposes us, then were going to launch an allout total war against all our european neighbours bombing defenceless cities and occuping these countries, then we will launch a barbarous inhumane attack against Russia. Finally we will systematically murder millions of jews and other "undesirables"simply because we dont think they diserve to live.

You just described 'Mein Kampf".

[robtek]

With what are those people fighting?

Oh, yes, it is tradition to have arms, even automatic kalashnikovs, in those countrys.

It is also tradition not to be organized and being free to travel anywhere.

[robtek]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

You just described 'Mein Kampf".

Which was inspired by the writings of Henry Ford! Also a antisemit.

[Kodoss]

It's hard to see people fighting back against totalitarian regimes, when you have no free press, no internet or even television!

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by Kodoss

It's hard to see people fighting back against totalitarian regimes, when you have no free press, no internet or even television!

Bingo.

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

I see people fighting back against totalitarian regimes.

see above post. somebody else can see the differences, but oh well, why bother, lol.

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by Kodoss

It's hard to see people fighting back against totalitarian regimes, when you have no free press, no internet or even television!

None of which exists in Syria, either. They are still fighting back.

[Attila]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

They did it in Libya. They're doing it right now in Syria.

you cant compare Germany in the early 30s with the situation in Lybia or Syria today!
In the eyes of the german crowd Hitler was a kind of messias! He brought back work for milions after the biggest crisis ever! Ok most of this work was just for start the war, but if you have no money you dont think about that!
People that not the same opinion were, were eliminated!
At any given time, there was no turning back!
And what about the Russians? Why they dont eliminated Stalin?
Dont misunderstand me,i'm no Nazi, I' m no german, i' m just a thinking man who knows, what people can do in certain situations

PS: Sorry for my english, i hope you know what i have tried to say!