Infographic of the Day: The Debt Superhighway

[Wolf_Rider]

We're getting into an area I don't think this forum would cater to effectively, or care to allow pursuit of considering the non-politics charter it has, and fair enough to.

At least to say; "Occupy Wall Street" has made a good start in standing up, but it will take the masses not just a handful of protesters to make a change. Is any form of tyranny easy to topple? Make no mistake though, the corporations need people... no people = no power base of control, no workers = no products = no profits = no control/ power. Along these lines think of "people" as battery hens. People penned in tightly in the big cities and working to produce, complete with pecking order (of which some countries have had their populations beaked) and the subsequent attacks on each other because of the pressures of no "space", leading to "space" being a luxury, people are getting sicker and even to collectors going around in the mornings and pulling those (homeless for instance) who died overnight, off the street.

What is a corporation without power or product?


Greece?, I have no personal account of what it is like there on the ground, and that is what is good about forums with an international membership, such as this, as a view can be gleaned, bearing in mind; on the 'net anyone can be anything they want and most anything queried can end up inconclusive" - no reflection, just an observation.
What we're fed here Down Under, is that Greece has a population who's national sport is dodging paying taxes and most are on some sort of welfare ticket/ Government pay cheque... Government corruption and the associated skimming of funds (as BD alluded to), etc notwithstanding.


Something you also would have noticed. Bewulf, is an increase in Governments deciding "they know best".
Something else, the welfare State ideal has engendered a generation with a sense of entitlement, which they are insisting upon.

[Blackdog_kt]

That's the general portrayal abroad. If you want my personal experience for clarification i can say that it's certainly widespread, but mostly in the higher echelons.

It doesn't matter if it's the private or public sector, usually the most effectively and heavily taxed are the lower echelons of both: the more you earn, the easier it seems to avoid taxes. This has a lot to do with the fact that money and connections are things that influence each other and end up in a self-feeding cycle, with certain people growing too big for their shoes at the expense of the mass that does its job, servers in the army (we still have conscription) and pays taxes.

In other words, those who got us into this mess by evading taxes, making bad investments and dodging any kind of contribution to the "team effort" so to speak, are the ones who now expect us to foot the bill

The previous PM for example, the first time he was about to resign due to public pressure (100-150 thousand people demonstrating outside the house of parliament last July/Auhust), he was prevented by his family members. His brother is a CDS holders who stands to directly gain from the country defaulting.

I too don't want to go into specific politics because it's my job to enforce the rules here and there's a no politics rule, so i'll just end it here. I think it's just sad that we've been pitted against each other as people of Europe (perfect smokescreen for those that want to finish up the job of taking away our citizen rights), while the actual dealings are quite easy to perceive. It's a complex situation and in the case of Greece it's also a geopolitical issue, with many major powers competing for access and influence to the region, often in a manner that directly violates our interests (within our own borders, not across the globe) and dominion rights.

I don't want to say more because this is exactly the kind of topic that tends to inflame discussions.

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

I don't want to say more because this is exactly the kind of topic that tends to inflame discussions.

yep!.. there's two topics which should never be discussed at a dinner party, if everyone wishes to remain friends, and that is religion and politics

Thanks for the insight, BD.

[Jaws2002]

It's very obvious that the global financial system is being rigged for a controlled demolition.
I don't even want to know what they planed for us after the crash, but it's scary.

[csThor]

One thing I consider a pillar of the problems and mismanagement we face now is the ... well ... psychological inbreeding of the political and economical elites. When I look at top politicians and managers of Germany I do not see a single person I could envision in average worker's clothes or even a jumpsuit.

These people are recruited from within a caste, a caste which recruits its own offspring to succeed them (hence the psychological inbreeding), whose members never experienced what "real life" is for us ordinary folks. There was a documentary on the education of kids from the upper classes and the overwhelming impression I got was that of an ivory tower. They grow up surrounded by pomp and circumstance, are constantly being told they're going to be decision makers (with all the pressure that brings along) and leave the educational system without ever having seen what life really is about for 99% of the people but with firm conviction that they're the masters of their own fate (or rather - masters of the world). This entitlement ... I mean I thought we'd been long since past the times of god-given rulers.

[Viking]

Originally Posted by Jaws2002

It's very obvious that the global financial system is being rigged for a controlled demolition.
I don't even want to know what they planed for us after the crash, but it's scary.

The scary thing is that its not controlled and there is no plan B! They only try and keep it going the same way as long as they posibly can.

Viking