First fight in a 109

[JG5_emil]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Cut throttle, force an overshoot and go into scissors
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Lets just go back to this little quote.

Why does the red pilot even need to try and follow you in these crazy manoeuvres?

If you cut throttle, he doesn't need to overshoot...he just uses the vertical and climbs above you...now you are dead.

Scissors...he just uses the vertical and B&Z you till you have no energy and are dead.

I'm sure you get some kills against solo noobs or people who don't care about dieing but they wont work against anyone who uses good tactics.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by JG5_emil

Lets just go back to this little quote.

Why does the red pilot even need to try and follow you in these crazy manoeuvres?

If you cut throttle, he doesn't need to overshoot...he just uses the vertical and climbs above you...now you are dead.

Scissors...he just uses the vertical and B&Z you till you have no energy and are dead.

I'm sure you get some kills against solo noobs or people who don't care about dieing but they wont work against anyone who uses good tactics.

Look, we can base this debate on regular occurances on servers, or we can base it on principle and "what if" questions. In a perfect world every pilot acts rationally and acts exactly as you describe it, 109s stay high and dsciplined, Spits won't react to scissors and just use their turn ability to climb above and come back again. Every pilot is a pro acting exactly to textbook. Every Spit pilot knows his place and flies at lower altitude then you and your Radar eyes always spots the enemy long before he spots you so you can make sure you always are in the perfect B&Z situation.
If you live in this world, perfect, I just fear it only exists in your head.

[JG5_emil]

Would you like red sauce with that giant chip on your shoulders? If you just want fun T&B on the deck there is nothing wrong with that, each to his own, but it's not the best way to use the aircraft and it gives you a very low survivability rate. You can help someone who is low and in trouble without getting yourself in a mess as well.

I wouldn't fly wingman for someone who ended up on the deck every flight and forced me to get myself killed for their mistakes. We fly as a team and share our kills but try our best to survive the mission.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by JG5_emil

Would you like red sauce with that giant chip on your shoulders? If you just want fun T&B on the deck there is nothing wrong with that, each to his own, but it's not the best way to use the aircraft and it gives you a very low survivability rate. You can help someone who is low and in trouble without getting yourself in a mess as well.

I wouldn't fly wingman for someone who ended up on the deck every flight and forced me to get myself killed for their mistakes. We fly as a team and share our kills but try our best to survive the mission.

You see, my "chip on the shoulder" stems from the fact that you make me out to be some T&B dude just to prove your point, which I am most certainly not. I am actually agreeing to your stances on most accounts, but you simply don't appear to understand that there are those situations within constantly and dynamically shifting combat conditions were you are finding yourself in a problematic situation, no matter how much you stick "to the book". And in the course of that you are activly torpedoing any debate on how to successfully get out of these again. Ppl "do" make mistakes, including your wingmen. And just abandoning those just to save your skin and blame them for making mistakes is simply not a principle I go by.