Please Implement Steam VAC as soon as practicable...

[CWMV]

But where is the proof that this has happened? Have you fought someone who was cheating?

[Jugdriver]

Why would someone need proof to ask for or have VAC enabled? The Idea of VAC is (hopefully) to maintain the integrity of the game, isn’t that a good enough reason in and of itself, why would one need to prove anything?


JD
AKA_MattE

[jimbop]

On a similar topic, what's the white rubbish that streams from some 109s when you get on their six? I'd say it was fire extinguisher but I didn't think they had one. I was told yesterday that it was a 'graphics bug' - is that right?

[335th_GRAthos]

Originally Posted by jimbop

On a similar topic, what's the white rubbish that streams from some 109s when you get on their six? I'd say it was fire extinguisher but I didn't think they had one. I was told yesterday that it was a 'graphics bug' - is that right?

Hi Jimbob, I never managed to find the fire extinguisher on the Bf109, much less make it work. Since then, I was particularly amused reading the chat red pilots calling blue cheaters because of the white foam fps killer comming out of the B109 and ME110 wings...

I can only assume, it is the radiator water or other kind of fluid leakage (maybe pneumatics for the landing system operation?) which at a certain distance makes this cloud.


Coming back to the real post:
Please gentlemen, let's not make this a "witch hunt"
I do not believe there if evidence available of someone cheating the flight model in order to prove superior in battle.
Possibilities to do so, are available and I am sure people have experimented with it and I have no problem with that.
I am also very careful with things people claim to "have seen with their own eyes" There is a lot of margin for missinterpretation when playing on line and it is part of human nature that "we see what we want to see" and I had the experience: I was called a "cheater" (in a way) because apparently I had found and used online the ME110s autopilot system in order to climb away from a Hurricane. And I dared to write in chat about it.
Fact is that in a ME110 I did climb away from a Hurricane (shock and awe....)
Fact is that I did not use any magic nor cheat nor feature to do it, it was simply a pure case of energy management and aerodynamics.
Fact is that this event became a discussion point (read better: "accussation") in the forums (see quotes at the end of my post).
Luckily, the Hurricane pilot in question intervened and stated the facts and energy situation as it happend from his side and what could have become a very ugly discussion ended there.

What I mean with this example, which I had the privilidge to experience personaly, is that if you are not there inside both planes you can quickly draw the wrong conclusions.

By the way ElAurens, it is not the first time that you make bold statements based on things you have heard from second or third hand:
Last post on that page: http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...=28174&page=36

Originally Posted by 335th_GRAthos

He, he, he, sorry ElAurens, please do not fall into the trap and take the stupidity he wrote for real (I had an excellent discussion with him in the other forum).

This ME110 autopilot achievement is complete rubbish that somebody with absolutely no knowledge of Blue planes (his own words) wrote.
I know, because I was the pilot flying the ME110 on course-autopilot. Point.

So let us be careful and avoid building towers in the sand when there is no factual information behind...

I regret I was not fast enough stopping the culprit in his tracks thus you became victim of his missinformation.

Having shared my opinion with you regarding evidence of cheating,
I do believe that it is an excellent idea to implement VAC control now.
Some things are better being implemented pro-actively instead of retro-actively (after the damage was done).

~S~

[bongodriver]

a dead sim for all but a handful of people

are you sure? I think the statistic is a little the other way, a handfull consider it dead and are here 'unable to move on from their loss', for the majority it's still twitching so we are waiting for the CPR to take effect.....and yes there is also a small number who just don't believe anything is wrong.

[Ataros]

Originally Posted by 335th_GRAthos

I do believe that it is an excellent idea to implement VAC control now.

Is there any evidence it is not implemented already? Luthier in the above quote said it had been. He may be mistaken of cause but I am curious of the facts.

[335th_GRAthos]

If you can enter a server even if you do not have the current patch installed, it is not activated yet

[IvanK]

The "White Foam" : can come from any aeroplane on a random basis, its a straight out graphical glitch

For those that haven't seen it here it is on Youtube at 3:09 and a still from the vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMZfV...ayer_embedded#

In this case a Spitfire after a slow snapshot. However it is not always associated with action it is a random event ... I have witnessed aeroplanes "foaming" as they go into the flare.

[Ataros]

Originally Posted by 335th_GRAthos

If you can enter a server even if you do not have the current patch installed, it is not activated yet

Are you sure? When 2 recent beta patches were tested they were not compatible with previous and next release patches or with each other. In server lobby you could see a warning in red colour "The server uses version ... which is not compatible with your version." It was not possible to join IIRC.

Can anyone join a server with beta patch now? We need a proof to persuade Ilya as he may be not informed correctly by his team as it was a case with coops. I am ready to report the issue at sukhoi.ru if VAC is not working yet indeed.

[klem]

Originally Posted by Jugdriver

Why would someone need proof to ask for or have VAC enabled? The Idea of VAC is (hopefully) to maintain the integrity of the game, isn’t that a good enough reason in and of itself, why would one need to prove anything?


JD
AKA_MattE

Exactly, its about the integrity of the game.

CWMV you strike me as someone who is keen to explore the boundaries but in a fair way. Infortunately not everyone is like that.

The simple fact is that if you leave the door open to responsible modders you leave it open to hackers too. It only takes one idiot hacker to wreck an entire evening for everyone else. Its bad enough with the PrtScrn'ers.

Guys like kwiatek did some excellent work on the IL-2 '46 FMs but they aren't all like that. As for the devs not having time to vet and formally incorporate community work, I would not be expecting them to incorporate additional aircraft, only things like improved FMs for existing aircraft or other issues with objects etc., i.e. things assist in the correction of existing problems and takes some of the load off their shoulders so that we get the benefit more quickly. They certainly aren't going to formally incorporate anything that represents their bread and butter for tomorrow.

Combat Simulators are not like Flight Simulator where it doesn't really matter what kind of UFO you like to build and fly for your pleasure. It's a competitive game. People play on-line to pit their skills and like any other game or sport, it needs a level playing field. If a server wants to offer LooneyUberVille (and I can see that could be fun for experimenters and those not interested in historical environments) then they can turn the verification process off.