Hypothetical progression line predictions (2)

[KG26_Alpha]

Originally Posted by reaver

apparently i have kicked hornet's nest ... but here is my defense:

@ KG26_Alpha --> source of the idea my first post is based on has been clearly referenced in my first post. I'm not trying to steal any ideas here.

link:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...47&postcount=9

What i don't see is how are Russians patriotically inspired to do the game about war between Great Britain and 3rd Reich.

@ Chivas --> this thread is called "Hypothetical progression line predictions". In perfect world this game should have been decently optimized before first release.

@ fruitbat & KG26_Alpha --> I should not have used word "American". If we assume that each scenario would be more interesting for those , who's fathers and grandfathers fought and died there, western front would hit both western european and American markets, while eastern front would appeal to much weaker eastern european market.

Are you just trolling in here ??


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[Chivas]

Originally Posted by reaver

apparently i have kicked hornet's nest ... but here is my defense:

@ KG26_Alpha --> source of the idea my first post is based on has been clearly referenced in my first post. I'm not trying to steal any ideas here.

link:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...47&postcount=9

What i don't see is how are Russians patriotically inspired to do the game about war between Great Britain and 3rd Reich.

@ Chivas --> this thread is called "Hypothetical progression line predictions". In perfect world this game should have been decently optimized before first release.

@ fruitbat & KG26_Alpha --> I should not have used word "American". If we assume that each scenario would be more interesting for those , who's fathers and grandfathers fought and died there, western front would hit both western european and American markets, while eastern front would appeal to much weaker eastern european market.

I called your statement below ignorant as it suggest the soviets are incapable of making a Western Bomber Campaign, and suggest that it will be awhile before you see one because of the large map required. You more likely to see BOB, Moscow/Eastern front, small Med maps, and small Pacific Island maps before the much larger bombing campaign map.

"That would be great !!! , but this is beyond imagination of our soviet friends"

[BigC208]

Originally Posted by cheesehawk

I actually believe the market for this sim is greater in Russia than here in the US. We don't see as many of them online, as they have their own servers seperate from Steam, but Repka, which is heavily Russian populated as on par with ATAG's population, which is the main hangout for everyone else. Seeing the amount of WW2 games coming out of Russia, I'd be hesitant to say they have a "weaker" market. It seems they are perhaps more into sims than we in the west are, unless you count MW4/Skyrim a sim...

The market in Russia is probably the biggest single market. If they make a profit selling in Russia then everything ontop of that, Western Europe, USA and the rest of the world, is gravy. Also, don't forget, they charged about 4x more in the West than in Russia when the game was released.

It would make a lot of sense/cents to keep the developement chronological. That way they can use upgraded aircraft models and objects from the earlier theatres. The other way around would also work but online it would suck having the more powerfull versions first. The older models would not be used as much.

I really would've liked to have seen Spanish Civil war, Poland invasion and Blitzkrieg May 40 before the BoB. I know it will never happen. Too many different countries and too many different archaic aircraft types. In the Netherlands alone they still had many types of biplanes from the twenties and thirties in service in May 40.

If they go the commercial way I think it'll be something like, BoM, Med/Africa, Western Europe 43/45, Pacific and to close if out, Korea . I'll buy em all and in 2017 they'll release the Blue-ray version: Il2, Fire in the Sky: 1936-1952. They can have third party devs fill in the blanks. I can't wait for the likes of A2A or Real Flight to develope aircraft for this sim. Might actually bring some of the FSX crowd over. Can you imagine an A2A accusim server on full real?

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by BigC208

I can't wait for the likes of A2A or Real Flight to develope aircraft for this sim. Might actually bring some of the FSX crowd over. Can you imagine an A2A accusim server on full real?

AFAIK, luring some developers from the old Microsoft Flightsim series over and create an industry around the brand was planned for the new IL2 series. But for that at least all the basics will have to be fixed, like engine, weather, communications etc.

[Blackdog_kt]

Some interesting predictions here. For me, i'd say going with a med scenario would be great since i live in Greece and i've read about some interesting actions in the area. That would be especially true if we got two maps, one for N.Africa/Malta and another to cover the early days (invasion of the Balkans).

I live in Greece and the local air force was involved in some heavily one-sided but impressive actions against the RA and later the Luftwaffe, along with locally based RAF detachments that had their share of the action. Notable actions by RAF include the rise of early Gladiator and Hurricane aces like Pattle and the Fleet Air Arm's Swordfish actions against Italian shipping and supplies in Albanian harbors (flying from improvised airstrips in the Greek mountains). Another Swordfish action was the battle of cape Matapan (south Peloponnese), where Italian warships were spotted and engaged.

The main appeal for a Balkans/Italy map (the northern part of the theater) would be a selection of really cool "crap planes" for 40s scenarios (Gladiator, Swordfish and the Greek PZL 24s which had uprated 1000hp engines and 20mm cannons). Then, the southern part of the map (N.Africa/Malta) would be good for the bulk of the N.African operations.

Finally, if the northern part of the map extends far enough (or at a later stage, when our PCs are better and the engine more optimized we could have a single map), it could be used to simulate raids into Ploesti and so on. A lot of not so well known actions were flown over the area and the combination of poor and good hardware along with the rugged, mountainous terrain, long distances and poor servicing conditions make for some interesting scenarios.

For example, the oldest squadron in the local airforce here was active over N.Africa with Hurricane Mk.IICs, then they converted to Spit Mk.Vs and flew over Italy and occupied Yugoslavia and Greece and that's just one squadron. Another fighter squadron was similarly engaged and there was also a light bomber squadron that started with Blenheim's in N.Africa and ended up participating in the battle of Monte Cassino with Martin Baltimores.

That's just the contribution of three Greek squadrons flying under RAF command at the time (and in the case of the bomber squad, many times with mixed Greek and British commonwealth crews, usually S.Africans).

If we start thinking about all the other contributors the mix becomes quite interesting and covers a big part of the war chronologically. We could be flying convoy protection to Malta in 41-42, or skimming the wave crests in Beaufighters attacking German shipping during the battle of the Dodecanese islands in 44, flying interdiction in support of Yugoslav parrtisans in bombed up Spits (and even IL2s later in the war, as the red army as drawing closer) or re-enacting the Taranto raid in a Fairey Swordfish. It's quite a rich environment and there's enough of an RAF and axis component to appeal to a wider audience, especially since it's never been done to this extent before.

However, my personal favorite would be a later expansion with a big enough map to play out the strategic bombing campaign in the west, along with supporting actions. Rhubarbs in Typhoons and fighter/bomber Mosquitoes, popping in and out of the clouds looking for targets of opportunity one day, flying a pathfinder Mosquito on a moonless night on the next mission and tracking an Oboe beam to a target in the Ruhr, knowing that there's a bunch of other players behind you in RAF heavies waiting for you to accurately mark the target, or going Luftwaffe and switching between high altitude interception of US heavies and nightfighters homing in on RAF heavies at night.

It would be a blast

[JG52Krupi]

If the reds are getting an la 5 in the next sequel the blues better have a 190