Pacific Fighters Bombed - inadequate maps

[nearmiss]

I think it's a good thing. Probably not stoppable.

I would suggest Oleg get on the bandwagon and find some way to make some money off it.

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I'm not unhappy with IL2 Sturmovik 1946. This sim is still state of the art in most respects, compared to other CFS.

The AI performance needs work, the FMB needs work (new tools) i.e, triggers, events, event areas, etc.

Maps,maps and more maps are needed.

The sound Mod Mondo mentioned. Well, I can tell you it may be full real sounds... but most of the planes sound like the bearings are going out on the motor (from inside the cockpit). LOL

Oleg would be smart to workaround this and maybe even join in the processes to some extent. Why, because he still holds the core code and can make things happen more his way than we realize. This may just be the kind of thing Oleg needed for his great old sim all along. Oleg has already pretty well written it off, as I understand. I could be wrong, but he is putting all his eggs in the BOB basket.

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I have an opinion:

Oleg is making a mistake trying to make a complete sim about a few months of air combat over a miniscule part of the war. I've done the Rowan's BOB and now the BOB II WOV with all the add ins. He will have to really do some fabulous work to duplicate or exceed the AI performance for OFFLINE play in the Shockwave BOB II.

Oleg may turn this few months of air combat(the BOB) into some kind of glorious, graphic masterpiece. I don't see that much interest being there for a dedicated sim to this one period of history, in this one place. The landscapes are flat, uninteresting mesh and terrains. The few aircraft that were flown in the BOB were shooting their .303's, very Boring....

I enjoy the IL2 because I can fly those weak weapon aircraft, and then I can jump into an aircraft with some real firepower and whup some tail.

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MSFT shot their foot. They had a great CFS that people loved, CFS2. The CFS3 was a state of the art graphics improvement and for the most part it was a nightmare for users. As a result, MSFT has just walked away from the CFS games.

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Oleg should take the IL2 Sturmovik 1946 and improve the sim, maybe with some hard work and dedication. Find a way to connect with this new influx of influence from devs... who have found a way.

What people are really saying is they don't want IL2 to go away, and the message couldn't be clearer or louder.

The AAA site is very new and already has over 6,000 members. Think about that, does someone have to get smacked up side the head to realize there is enormous interest in an improved IL2. The BOB may not be anywhere near what someone thinks it will be.

People enjoy the IL2 because it covers the war all over the world to a large extent. I personally, like the early conflict on the Eastern Front and the early conflict in the Pacific War. Everyone has their own little niche, but with the BOB it is going force everyone to the one little niche (BOB), that is of little or no interest to a lot of people.

Oleg must make a way to keep the IL2 intact even if he takes the old IL2 and moves it into a newer software engine. Let us continue to fly 8 poly current aircraft and incrementally add in the 16 poly aircraft.

This is a marketers dream. The users of Il2 are still out there clamouring for more and more.

The sim is a hit, what the hell else could you want.

You might think those are strong words, but someone needs to get the message.

[VMF-214_HaVoK]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

What people are really saying is they don't want IL2 to go away, and the message couldn't be louder.

+1

Oleg and crew could make money off of IL2 for years to come with addons and expansions and probably more then they will make off of the initial release of SoW.

S!

[mondo]

Originally Posted by VMF-214_HaVoK

+1

Oleg and crew could make money off of IL2 for years to come with addons and expansions and probably more then they will make off of the initial release of SoW.

S!

I personally would buy more addons for IL2 but every time I play IL2 these days it looks more and more dated, the engine limitations are more and more apparent. I really want OM to finish off with 4.09 and then get SoW finished so we can start out with a new a better engine as a base for a new generation of SoW addons in the years to come.

[VMF-214_HaVoK]

Originally Posted by mondo

I personally would buy more addons for IL2 but every time I play IL2 these days it looks more and more dated, the engine limitations are more and more apparent. I really want OM to finish off with 4.09 and then get SoW finished so we can start out with a new a better engine as a base for a new generation of SoW addons in the years to come.

As do I but maybe its time Oleg partners up with these 3rd party "modders/hackers". It clear they are not going to go away just because we prefer not to discuss them and it would not cost Oleg or his team any extra resources. The envelop could be pushed and much could be learned and we the customers relish in the benefits...or not.

S!

[mondo]

Might be good if done right but these 3rd party guys are not a development house or publisher so I fear what we would see is akin to CFS2 and how that was utterly ruined by modders.

[nearmiss]

Just a little update-->

I was over on the AAA site and noticed something that should send up a big old flag for anyone paying attention.

The Slot

Here it is:

http://www.allaircraftarcade.com/for...pic.php?t=1342

This posting has generated 49,000+ views and 1,100+ responses to the thread and the map isn't done yet.

The Battle of Britain is not the battleground of interest. Look at the Normandy and Britain Map mod interest.

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Oleg, someone has been feeding you some bad cheese.

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[Chivas]

The Slot map is on hold, by the time its out, most people will have moved on to a new generation of maps and map making tools.

[tater]

^^^ ROFL. I was just... nevermind.

As for new tools, etc, I'll certainly be buying SOW, and I'll fly it around, but I personally won't be messing with it that much until I see Palm trees and Zeros again. In the meantime, I'll be flying around the South Pacific. In the words of the 5th AF, I'll be "Glocesterizing" places from treetop altitude. Ah, to sweep in low over Rabaul, or parafrag Wewak.



tater

[csThor]

It's always utterly amusing how people come up with a load of conspiracy theories on how Oleg secretly supports the hackers or new requests that he should endorse them.

Folks, get real! If the Il-2 engine wasn't at the end of its commercial life you'd be surprised how quick Ubisoft would have closed down "that site" and prosecuted anyone they could get their hands on. That this hasn't happened just shows that neither Maddox Games nor Ubisoft have any interest in the engine anymore. But that doesn't mean they are giving it away for anyone to have a look at.

[jasonbirder]

you'd be surprised how quick Ubisoft would have closed down "that site" and prosecuted anyone they could get their hands on

Evidence...or unsupported opinion?
Any examples of publishers taking action against game mod sites? Ever...(Piracy issues not included)
Under what law and what jurridisction would they be prosecuted...we've discussed the legal standing or lack of ad naseum elsewhere...everytime it is raised it is proven that it has no legal basis...yet people keep restating the terms "prosecuted" or "legal action" i assume in the hope that if it repeated enough times someone...anyone...will accept it as fact.