Will SoW be boring and superficial?

[robtek]

@leitmotiv
youve brought it on the point for me.
thats what i would really love.
to be a good pilot with all the handicaps those obsolete technik has,
that would be the real challenge in this game.
and that includes of course real CEM.

[leitmotiv]

If you could takeoff and land in the horrible weather of winter 1943-44, not to mention find a bomber using "Zahme Sau" tactics, you would be an ace pilot of a Bf 110 night fighter! This would be great stuff.

[leitmotiv]

Well, FSX can now support combat, but this first combat add-on is very primitive. Wait 'til really top of the line companies like Shockwave start to produce combat versions of their FSX models---hoo boy!

http://www.abacuspub.com/catalog/s765.htm

[Feathered_IV]

Thanks for the encouragement leit'

I found this you tube footage of an FSX Oil-rig rescue op.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcE17...eature=related

Il-2 is nowhere when compared to even this basic out-of-the-box mission. As several people have posted already, there are plenty of last gen sims that are able to handle more imaginative mission scenarios. I sincerely hope that Maddox games give this the thought and care it deserves.

[Feathered_IV]

Originally Posted by leitmotiv

Well, FSX can now support combat, but this first combat add-on is very primitive. Wait 'til really top of the line companies like Shockwave start to produce combat versions of their FSX models---hoo boy!

This is why I found it very interesting that Gennadich ported their DR1 and some scenery from KotS into FSX and packaged it as a "Christmas present" to the community. You just don't go promoting your work in your competition's front yard without first opening a dialogue, or getting your lawyers together at least. Something is definitely cooking between MS and the Gennadich Team.

MS would love to re-enter to combat market, but they don't want to do the grunt work. Gennadich have the stuff, but no corporate backing. Each side would stand to do very well indeed out of joining forces.

And by the way, have you noticed that the GT forum has been taken down again in the last 48hrs....?

[ArcticViper]

Originally Posted by leitmotiv

Well, FSX can now support combat, but this first combat add-on is very primitive. Wait 'til really top of the line companies like Shockwave start to produce combat versions of their FSX models---hoo boy!

http://www.abacuspub.com/catalog/s765.htm

Ehm, for a start, this is my first post on this forum as I've just joined.
Secondly, why are you discussing combat on FSX on a 1C forum? Combat in FSX will never be worthy of polishing the shoes of IL-2 (If IL-2 was a person)

Now, the general impression I get of what people want is: more, more, more... well, in short anyways...

What I would like to see is the implementation of a select group of the online gaming community, who can carry the message from players on to 1C and Oleg. My personal opinion is that regardless of eyecandy in SoW:BoB, I won't be content with having less aircraft than I have today; having the soundmod and the bombermod brings me up to the region of 300 flyable aircraft!

I don't know what maddox games and others think about the fact that users have found a workaround to making the AI aircraft flyable using cockpits from existing aircraft and changing the sounds to more realistic sounds, but I think there should be no AI only aircraft in the first place and I reckon most people if not all would agree on that.

But from all the stuff I've seen from SoW:BoB so far, I'm most certainly going to invest in it! Keep it up guys, and listen to your users, for we are your salaries

[wjc103]

Along this line of thought, I remember reading some indication that radio operators would have a real role in interaction with the pilot, depending of course on how meaningful this interaction is would add at the very least better immerision.

Also, with the FSX video post above, I wouldn't think that it would be so unreasonable for BoB to have some sort of sea rescue missions or roles, as it would be historically applicable to both sides, example: find the Blenheim crew before they drown or are picked up by Nazi patrol in rough seas.

[leitmotiv]

46 Is now so primitive in terms of the art of rendering the entire spectrum of effects, no matter what comes from the FSX system will be vastly superior to a rather tired and ancient product. If this doesn't excite all but the most die-hard 46 gamer, you don't care for airplanes:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=IOC8rvxDNJM

As for no AI, this would make BOBSOW into an online-only item, and that would mean a flying RED ORCHESTRA. God forbid that. That would guarantee the missions would never be advanced beyond the stereotypical model of mass dogfights and some bomb droppers for fighters to attack.

[Steiner362]

leitmotiv please stop promoting FSX here,are YOU trying to start a flame war? which you will ultimately lose?,I saw nothing great about that heli rescue,that could be done in xbox360 also maybe you should go play that.

[ArcticViper]

Originally Posted by leitmotiv

46 Is now so primitive in terms of the art of rendering the entire spectrum of effects, no matter what comes from the FSX system will be vastly superior to a rather tired and ancient product. If this doesn't excite all but the most die-hard 46 gamer, you don't care for airplanes:

As for no AI, this would make BOBSOW into an online-only item, and that would mean a flying RED ORCHESTRA. God forbid that. That would guarantee the missions would never be advanced beyond the stereotypical model of mass dogfights and some bomb droppers for fighters to attack.

No, No and No!

The community is actually releasing new graphic features, and if you say that it is old in terms of graphics, then clearly you haven't tried to change the config.ini file. You can set antialiasing far far up, water effects up, in other words, this 5'ish year old game will look like it hit the market a year ago, or possibly with a better system than I have, today! allaircraftarcade has 6.000+ members, loads and loads of great mods for this supremely excellent game.

And I quote you again: "As for no AI, this would make BOBSOW into an online-only item"

Read what I mean, not what I write! I meant that NO AIRCRAFT should be flyable by the AI only, meaning the player should have access to all planes in the game, not that AI should be removed

I do fly FSX quite often, but being a pilot myself, and seeing how it reacts to the enviroment and simulates different events and situations, I feel that FSX has a lot to learn from IL-2, so stop promoting that game here, go to the relevant FSX forum, please. We don't want a flame war in here, because you will inevitably lose.