New Mod Heroes of Might and Magic 3 Babies!

[Fatt_Shade]

Yea i forgot about permission form tree to get kids with neoka (you cant even sleep with your wife without other`s approval and had 4 fights before kissing her first time, so no big miss there.
I`we always seen orcs as horde, and great in big numbers so no mage/orc build for me. But as for some improvements, hm . . . could you convert orc abilities form CW witout adrenaline : kid that gives bonus to ogre`s give them drain ability, for veteran orcs miss chance . other kid that gives bonus to veterans give them vicious strike (so not to have 2 kids with same bonus). This is big change to orcelyn but i cant think of anything else to help that race except already made changes in AP/CW. Nice idea to strenghten shamans totems/dancing axes, but what about other orc units ? They have almost nothing to boost : goblins nothing, orcs only running , ogre only rage so not much to work with on them since they dont have anything to start with Poor orcs.

[Fatt_Shade]

Hey Matt Q :
did you on purpose made gift of life to take 2 turns to resurrect plant you need ? I tried some ents with neoka, and first move is to summon some unit, then with that unit you need to summon on some killed unit, and then you can use first summoned unit to resurrect starting ent . . . It takes to much time, and lose 2 whole turns with 2 units. Why not activate gift of life on first unit after summoning in way that `I summoned you, now you sacrifice yourself to revive me`, but lower resurrected % maybe. As it is now, to resurrect 1 plant, we need 2 killed units near for summoning, and 2 turns to actually do it.

[MattCaspermeyer]

Originally Posted by Fatt_Shade

Hey Matt Q :
did you on purpose made gift of life to take 2 turns to resurrect plant you need ? I tried some ents with neoka, and first move is to summon some unit, then with that unit you need to summon on some killed unit, and then you can use first summoned unit to resurrect starting ent . . . It takes to much time, and lose 2 whole turns with 2 units. Why not activate gift of life on first unit after summoning in way that `I summoned you, now you sacrifice yourself to revive me`, but lower resurrected % maybe. As it is now, to resurrect 1 plant, we need 2 killed units near for summoning, and 2 turns to actually do it.

I sure did! By having them use their Sowing to enable their Gift of Life your resurrection ability is limited by the number of corpses on the battlefield. If there are no corpses then no Gift of Life. Also note that when a Thorn uses its Gift of Life, that there is no corpse generated (it is totally absorbed by the plant it heals). This makes the use of Thorns a lot more strategic for resurrection purposes. There are plenty of Thorn Generators that don't need a corpse to create the Thorns (Ents, Dryads, and Royal Thorns) and so even though it takes more time you should be able to get some Thorns to heal your plants before finishing off the combat.

It can still be exploited somewhat if you keep a non-retaliator stack alive and let it keep killing your generated Thorns for fresh corpses. The only way to prevent this issue would be to change all the Thorn Generating abilities to have charges. I've gone back and forth here experimenting with making them charges and reloadable and because Thorns are mowed down so easily that you need a steady stream of them (numbers!) for them to be effective I decided to keep that capability reloadable. This is an advantage to entice people to play with plants.

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[Fatt_Shade]

I dont think you understood what i was implying.
Lets say thorn hunters cast summon on some corpse, but if you want to use gift of life to resurrect starting unit you need 1 more corpse to use summon thorn by already summoned. When use summon plant i dont need ability to heal summoned unit, but one i`m taking with me in next battle.
Why not activate gift of life in reverse order, unit that summoned stack can sacrifice it to resurrect itself. This is most problem with thorns, as you said many gift of life using units dont need it but consider this : dryads dont need that ability they summon meat shields, royal thorn also with speed 1(2 at best) summon minions and send them to fight then if need be those units use summon and return to heal royal thorns. For ents there is even less need for res with their tree of life ability. So most vunerable are basic units thorn warriors/hunters and need for to heal 1 stack you need 2 corpses.
I understand that you wanted to make this limited in battle, but it just seem to complicated for simple way of keeping plants alive since they have no active skills/mass aoe dmg or passive like stun/shock. They are useful in large numbers but that`s it. ANd are so vunerable, that`s why i asked about this way of using gitf of life.

[MattCaspermeyer]

Oh!

I think I understand what you're saying. You're saying you want Thorn-Hunters and Thorn Warriors when they use there Sowing ability to have the created Thorn have its Gift of Life ability enabled since it used a corpse to generate it. All other Thorn generators would stay the way they are.

This is an interesting idea. For the AI, they both would run to the nearest high level plant and use their Gift of Life ability (that's pretty much how I programmed it). For people, you wouldn't sacrifice your starting Thorn because then that'd be a loss in combat that you wouldn't want, but you would probably heal them with the new unit once you got the chance if you needn't it.

Hmmm... I guess this would be okay and it would help the AI more, too. Since it would only apply to Thorn-Hunters and Thorn Warriors I guess it wouldn't be exploited by human players since they couldn't sacrifice their starting Thorns if they wanted to minimize losses and it would be easier (at the beginning of the game) to use Thorns and try to heal them.

I'll think about this some more, but it seems like this idea would be okay to implement...

Thanks for the idea!

Originally Posted by Fatt_Shade

I dont think you understood what i was implying.
Lets say thorn hunters cast summon on some corpse, but if you want to use gift of life to resurrect starting unit you need 1 more corpse to use summon thorn by already summoned. When use summon plant i dont need ability to heal summoned unit, but one i`m taking with me in next battle.
Why not activate gift of life in reverse order, unit that summoned stack can sacrifice it to resurrect itself. This is most problem with thorns, as you said many gift of life using units dont need it but consider this : dryads dont need that ability they summon meat shields, royal thorn also with speed 1(2 at best) summon minions and send them to fight then if need be those units use summon and return to heal royal thorns. For ents there is even less need for res with their tree of life ability. So most vunerable are basic units thorn warriors/hunters and need for to heal 1 stack you need 2 corpses.
I understand that you wanted to make this limited in battle, but it just seem to complicated for simple way of keeping plants alive since they have no active skills/mass aoe dmg or passive like stun/shock. They are useful in large numbers but that`s it. ANd are so vunerable, that`s why i asked about this way of using gitf of life.

[ShadowTek]

O_O Wow, I leave for a few months and look what happens, nice work man!! seems I have allot to read!

Great job!!

[Fatt_Shade]

Hello ppl
Matt i checked your last update, and i like upgraded orcs but it`s still not changed type of playing them like in cw. Thx for effort man, i`m not complaining just saying units need more then higher resistances to be interesting to play. Modified dancing axes great job, it reports error every time i use it but `ignore` and it works resurrecting orc troops

I just now noticed something on matter i played this game for almost 1 whole year. With warrior anger skill you get more rage from inquisitor holy rage ability, basic is 5-10 but with 3rd lvl anger it goes up to 10-20 Why didnt they copy this to AP/CW hero skill? There anger is available to all hero classes.

As for mod it self, i played 2 whole games mage (rina, feanora,diana,neoka) and warrior tried (rina, feanora, mirabella, orcalyn, gerda, neoka, xeona . . . yea i know, divorces alone costed me leg and a half And it works great, late game hero fights are really tough and interesting. I still think enemy hero -resistance% are to high, but no1 is forcing me to play impossible no loss in first place
Great job man, keep it up.
On side note, are you planing to make something similar for AP/CW or will you w8 for WotN and just make mod when new game come out ?